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How Rough Should Puppy Play Be

Hi. My Charley has lots of dog buddies. There's Gracie, Tyler, Jeeter, Jetta, Cedric, and so on. Here's my concern. Cedric plays a bit rough and I notice that when Charley and Cedric are playing I'm keeping a very careful eye on them to be sure Cedric doesn't hurt Charley. Cedric's mom hasn't really trained him and I think he nips too rough. Ya know what, I think I've answered my own question. If I feel that Charley is unsafe, maybe that's the warning. It's just that, what do I say now to Cedric and his Mom? Charley LOVES Cedric. And Cedric LOVES Charley. His MOm tells me everytime they pass our house, Cedric sits on the lawn waiting for Charley to come and play. But how can I tell Cedric's MOm the play needs to be a bit gentler???
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How does Charley react to the rough play? Does he know how to say "enough"? My pup is good about letting others know when they cross a line (ie do NOT try to hump him or you will get a quick warning noise - not a growl really, but a ohnoyoudidn'tjusttrythat harumph). If the dogs are the same size, I don't worry about it too much; Marlowe polices things well. One of his girlfriends would make all sorts of crazy growling noises while playing but she was just loud, not aggressive, and they loved each other.

I only step in if his tail is down, he tries to hide behind me, or he displays other anxious behavior - which is really rare. I'm VERY watchful if there's a significant size difference because he can get hurt on accident even if neither dog is being aggressive.
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Puppy play can seem very rough and noisy from the human perspective...and this really doesn't have anything to do with how HUMANS have trained them. Puppies learn how rogh is too rough from other dogs and puppies. When Kodi was little, my trainers taught me two "litmus tests" for puppy play.

1. Is one puppy CONSISTANTLY the one on the bottom, always rolled on his back, and not allowed to get up and run and play? If so, the other puppy might not be a good match right now.

2. No matter HOW "viscious" things are sounding, if you separate the two, and the one you are worried aboutbounds right back to play again, they are doing fine. If, when you separate them, either takes the opportunity to move off to hide or rest,it was probably to much for him.


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My two sound very scary when they play (Bumi is the one making most of the noise), but when you separate them, they bound right back to continue playing. They have yet to hurt each other.

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Momo and Ume can sound vicious also when they play. When Momo has had enough, she'll usually jump up on the couch or off the bed or anywhere out of reach, since he hasn't figured out how to jump up on or down from furniture. That being said, she'll also taunt him from the couch on occasion. I just leave them alone unless I hear yelping, which hasn't happened yet.

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As puppies they learn from each other. now, usually lab mixes are really rough in play, and are notorious to NOT listen to the other dog... that's when person needs to intervene. Ollie got beat up by a male lab mix the first day of puppy class. to this day, he's cordial to male labs, but will growl if they linger around him, and fo-get-about-it if it's an intact male lab, that' the trifecta from hell for ollie.

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Puppy play can seem very rough and noisy from the human perspective...and this really doesn't have anything to do with how HUMANS have trained them. Puppies learn how rogh is too rough from other dogs and puppies. When Kodi was little, my trainers taught me two "litmus tests" for puppy play.

1. Is one puppy CONSISTANTLY the one on the bottom, always rolled on his back, and not allowed to get up and run and play? If so, the other puppy might not be a good match right now.

2. No matter HOW "viscious" things are sounding, if you separate the two, and the one you are worried aboutbounds right back to play again, they are doing fine. If, when you separate them, either takes the opportunity to move off to hide or rest,it was probably to much for him.
That is an excellent test and makes alot of sense. Thsnks. With the dog i am concerned about charley is usually on the bottom, he does take time to rest but he jumps right back in. He never hidees though.

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That is an excellent test and makes alot of sense. Thsnks. With the dog i am concerned about charley is usually on the bottom, he does take time to rest but he jumps right back in. He never hidees though.
Then I'd make sure that I supervised, and stepped in periodically to make sure he does have a chance to get away if he WANTS to, but if he chooses to return to play, I'd let him.

There is one other thing about the "on the back" thing. It's one thing if one puppy is always ROLLING the other one and won't let them up. That's not a fair fight. But I've seen some puppies that just prefer playing on their backs. They will continuously put themselves in that position, flapping their feet and biting at the other puppy. When separated, they will happily go right back for more, and play exactly the same way. I've even seen adult, large breed dogs purposely roll for a small breed puppy, just to invite play.


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Diego (14lbs) rough houses with Olive (our 76lbs Bulldogge)...Diego makes most of the noise...but Olive usually flops on her back like a beached whale...it's actually really cute (I need to figure out how to upload a video...)...

Diego also plays with other bigger dogs...his best buddy is his cousin Bodhi (a rotti/golden mix)...they play hard but Diego never gets hurt...he usually runs back for more everytime I get paranoid and separate them
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My mom was visiting with her Havanese (Diego) for a few weeks, so him and Benny became fast playmates. They sounded horrible when they were playing, but they were really just playing the entire time. Things were very even with them - they both spent time on the bottom - so as long as they were happy, we were happy.

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