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Newly adopted hav problems!

Hello all! We just adopted a two year old hav that was returned to the breeder. Apparently the former humans had no time for her. They kept her in a crate day and night and didn't have kids either.

We've had her a little over a week and she has been great except she is not potty trained at. all. She has no ability to let us know when she needs to go out. I absolutely hated it but I've had to buy a crate to keep her contained while I homeschool (she's fine with it). I've set up some bells for her to ring and I make her ring them before we go out. I also tell her "go potty for a treat" and she loves getting a treat for going outside.

The only progress I feel like she's made is that her accidents seem to be happening closer to the door. We have a peepad from the breeder that she will not use.

Any help would be so appreciated. How long should it take for her to learn?
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Many small dogs breeds can take months to potty train. My two havs were completly different in the potty training. Bella took to pottypads right away while It took remy about 4-5 months. It takes consistacy and reading the dog. Both my havs start to circle before they have to poop. They start sniffing around and are unable to relax when they have to go pee. Looking for signs in your hav when she is about to go potty is important. Then take your dog outside or on the pottypad and praise her like crazy when she does go outside or on the pottypad. Just being patient is really key. And never discipline the dog if you don't catch her in the act. She will have no clue what your mad about. Hope this helps and good luck!!!!

P.s. it might take some time because she's 2 years old. It is hard to break habits especially sense her previous owners didn't care, so why should she.

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Put a collar on her and around the table leg or chair leg where you teach. Then you don't have to crate her and you might be more aware of her need to go out.

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Put a collar on her and around the table leg or chair leg where you teach. Then you don't have to crate her and you might be more aware of her need to go out.
I tried that but she kept getting tangled up. She seems fine in the crate during hs because she just sleeps, no barking, no anxious behaviors.
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Be patient, it will take time and consistency. Your giving her treats for going out willl help. No problem with the crate, that's what she's comfortable with. Agree, if you don't catch her, don't scold her, but when she goes where she should BIG Praise.

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She obviously has never been potty trained., Most pups start learning that lesson at 8 weeks old. She has been untrained for 2 years. Poor girl just does not know what to do. I agree, patience is what she needs. Keep up with the praise and treats when she goes outside. Bells is a great thing to teach them. Two of mine use the bells and it is so helpful!
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Is she free fed or on a schedule? I know she's an adult, but often with puppies, we stop giving them water by a certain time at night. You might try a different puppy pad.

there's lots of threads about it here.

potty training my little one just about killed me! he was stubborn.

He was already paper trained. so all I did was move it toward the door to the backyard, each time he pee'd on the pad, I'd move it. then eventually pad was outside, and then into the grass.

in the winter, when it's too cold to leave a door open to the yard at night, I put a puppy pad out for him. sometimes though he's lazy and will pee in my work out room on my yoga mat (closer than the door to the yard).

I'm sure she'll get it. like others have said be patient and consistent. havs are sensitive to correction, so better to dwell on the positives than correcting the wrong behavior.
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Is she free fed or on a schedule? I know she's an adult, but often with puppies, we stop giving them water by a certain time at night. You might try a different puppy pad.

there's lots of threads about it here.

potty training my little one just about killed me! he was stubborn.

He was already paper trained. so all I did was move it toward the door to the backyard, each time he pee'd on the pad, I'd move it. then eventually pad was outside, and then into the grass.

in the winter, when it's too cold to leave a door open to the yard at night, I put a puppy pad out for him. sometimes though he's lazy and will pee in my work out room on my yoga mat (closer than the door to the yard).

I'm sure she'll get it. like others have said be patient and consistent. havs are sensitive to correction, so better to dwell on the positives than correcting the wrong behavior.
Free fed because she doesn't eat! That's another issue I've figured out. She is overweight and now I think I know why. She won't eat much of her kibble (Fromm) but she will spin and jump anytime someone has food. My guess is she was fed table food constantly to the point she didn't have to eat her dog food. I do pick up food and water at about 7 unless we go on a late walk.

Potty training is progressing slowly. I have been taking her out about every two hours and she usually pees every time. I suspect that she knows if she goes she gets a treat so something is working.

Despite her issues we love her to pieces. From day 1 she attatched herself to my son and becomes very anxious if he leaves her sight. If I could get her certified as his therapy dog I certainly would! We picked the havanese breed because of their use as therapy dogs which my son really needs.

And, I suspect she is a sibling to a very "brand name" hav on this forum...
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Free fed because she doesn't eat! That's another issue I've figured out. She is overweight and now I think I know why. She won't eat much of her kibble (Fromm) but she will spin and jump anytime someone has food. My guess is she was fed table food constantly to the point she didn't have to eat her dog food. I do pick up food and water at about 7 unless we go on a late walk.
If she'soverweight, I certainly wouldn't free-feed her! She certainly isn't going to starve to death! Put the RIGHT (weight reducing) amount of food down twice a day, and if she hasn't eaten in 10 minutes, pick it up. Don't offer her any more until her next meal, and make sure those "potty treats" are TINY and nutritious. She will soon learn to eat on a proper schedule.

Table scraps are not a problem as long as they are low in salt, sugar and fat. (lean meat or fish, most veggies and most fruit a great for dogs) In fact, for a kibble-fed dog, table scraps are a GREAT source of good nutrients. Just make sure to factor them into her daily calorie intake. And don't feed her FROM the table, or you'll encourage begging!

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And, I suspect she is a sibling to a very "brand name" hav on this forum...
Oh, who? We love to hear about good breeders! And there is NOTHING wrong with a breeder finding a good, new home for a dog that is returned to them... that's exactly what responsible breeders do!


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If she'soverweight, I certainly wouldn't free-feed her! She certainly isn't going to starve to death! Put the RIGHT (weight reducing) amount of food down twice a day, and if she hasn't eaten in 10 minutes, pick it up. Don't offer her any more until her next meal, and make sure those "potty treats" are TINY and nutritious. She will soon learn to eat on a proper schedule.

Table scraps are not a problem as long as they are low in salt, sugar and fat. (lean meat or fish, most veggies and most fruit a great for dogs) In fact, for a kibble-fed dog, table scraps are a GREAT source of good nutrients. Just make sure to factor them into her daily calorie intake. And don't feed her FROM the table, or you'll encourage begging!



Oh, who? We love to hear about good breeders! And there is NOTHING wrong with a breeder finding a good, new home for a dog that is returned to them... that's exactly what responsible breeders do!

Hmmm she's overweight by just a few pounds (according to the breeder). I am trying so hard to get her on a routine. I will try only giving her her food like you said. Her "potty treats" are those tiny training treats and she just gets one. As to breeders, she came from one in Michigan....
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