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Are you for or against dew claw removal? I know that for grooming they can be in the way if they are not removed but I was wondering what every ones thoughts/preferences were about them. I know some folks equate the procedure equal to tail and ear docking in some circles as cruel and another torture for owner convenience again equal to spays and neuters.


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I'm all for removal of dewclaws as it will prevent the dog from accidentally getting the dewclaw caught on something and it painfully being ripped out.
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Against!! They are their thumbs (more than just a nail). It's illegal to remove them here (front paws -- most don't have them on the back, but some do) unless medically necessary. its more than taking off the nail, Id never do it unless there was a medical reason.

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Interesting thread. I've always been kind of irritated at my vet who refused to remove Lucy's dew claws when I had her spayed. The nails on dew claws are SO HARD to clip. Any helpful hints? I've tried doing it right after bath with her paws wet but even that doesn't work. There's not enough "claw" to pull away from the paw and keep all the hair (even when wet) away from the pedi-paw grinder I use.
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my male anatolian pup was the only one in his litter of 9 with rear dew claws. the rear dew claws are not articulated like the front. they can easily be ripped off during play. I had only the rears removed when he got fixed.

I don't believe in removing the front dew claws. all my dogs have had them, I guess that's why I think it's normal.
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Tillie has hers too ... they can be a pain to clip, but I don't clip them nearly as often as the rest of her nails. They've never beena problem and help her hold things and turn on a dime when she is running.

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Interesting thread. I've always been kind of irritated at my vet who refused to remove Lucy's dew claws when I had her spayed. The nails on dew claws are SO HARD to clip. Any helpful hints? I've tried doing it right after bath with her paws wet but even that doesn't work. There's not enough "claw" to pull away from the paw and keep all the hair (even when wet) away from the pedi-paw grinder I use.
By the time they are getting neutered or spayed, it is WAY too late to remove dew claws just for convenience sake. By that point, it is major, painful, surgery, like declawing a cat.

If it's going to be done, it needs to be done when they are newborns. At that point, they do not have as much blood flow, and the bones have not hardened. I do not believe that it's not painful, but NOTHING like if you do it when they are older.

Sine I am involved in dog sports, I would never remove a dog's dew claws. Nor would I want to purchase a pup with dew claws removed. The dew claws are important for traction on obstacles and on the ground during tight turns at speed. Dogs who do sports and try to compensate for the lack of dew claws, often sustain microfractures. There is a great deal of scientific evidence (I've posted the links here before) that, over time, these microfractures lead to more arthritic changes in the wrists of dogs who have had their dew claws removed over the normal population. Dogs that no longer have their dew claws, don't have that digit to act as a stabilizer. And we call it "removing the dew claw" but it's really an entire digit that is removed, not "just" a claw!

I'm sure it makes much less difference in the long-term soundness of the dog if the dog is "just" a pet. But I still wouldn't do it. To me, the reasoning that it can keep them from hurting their dew claw later, could be used on every toe on their feet! No one would consider removing ALL their toes "just in case"!

Yes, it's a bit of work to maintain the dew claws, but, IMO, that's part of caring for your animal. Dew claws are not an extraneous bit of fluff, they serve an important purpose on the anatomy of a dog. When they are removed, it is for human convenience or because people are well-meaning but not fully informed, not for the well-being of the dog.


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my male anatolian pup was the only one in his litter of 9 with rear dew claws. the rear dew claws are not articulated like the front. they can easily be ripped off during play. I had only the rears removed when he got fixed.

I don't believe in removing the front dew claws. all my dogs have had them, I guess that's why I think it's normal.
Yes, rear dew claws are less common, and USUALLY do not have bones in them. So the surgery is less invasive. They also do not serve any purpose unless they have bones and can be used by the dog. (a few dogs DO have usable hind dew claws, but VERY few) Personally, I'm still not sure I'd have them removed on an older dog, but would have no problem with a breeder choosing to have them removed on a newborn puppy.


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I am with Karen on this one, for all the reasons she has stated. Quite a few of our dogs compete in agility and the owners want the front dews left on. I have never removed dew claws, I find it to be an unnecessary procedure. The majority of havanese that I have brought into our program also have their dews. Never had a problem with them being there.

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I'm Against. (and it's illegal here along with ear cropping and tail docking). They do serve a purpose, rarely get injured, and is painful unnecessary surgery for the animal. I find they don't need to be clipped that often and isn't that difficult to clip them every month or so.



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