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Unhappy HELP - PEEING in house odd behavior

Ricco has been peeing in the house on occasion for the past year, in spite of being let of frequently, and the behavior is starting to take a distinct pattern. He does not seem to do it when I am home, or at least that I have caught him. He is seeming to do it everyday when my wife is home, today for example she let him out, kept him with her at all times, except one point when she was walking between the living room and bedroom, and he peed in front of the couch.

It almost appears he is showing some form of resentment, I am sure I interact with him more than she does when she is home with him during the week, but today she spent more time with him. I guess my only recourse is to get a belly pad and keep it on him when he is indoors, which I am sure will create some other odd behavior. Can anyone provide an idea of why he is doing this, and suggestions on the best way to use a belly pad?
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Is it marking? Marking behavior starts about 6 months, if there are other male dogs in the household it can happen earlier. If this is the case you need to catch him in the act and take him out, you will need to do this over and over until he gets it. My guys do not mark in the house but they do mark like crazy outside.

Another possibility is a UTI rare in males but does happen, this can look like marking also as they only can go in little bits.

Belly bands work but ask yourself, if you will be ok using them for the next 12 yrs or so, I know breeders who use them, but part of that is their dogs are stud dogs and they have non spayed females. For myself I rather train not do do it at all, the house is mine, the yard is theirs.

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No other males in house, and he is neutered, although he does mark outside. He is free of any infection, plus the behavior seems to only manifest itself when my wife is home with him. My breeder did recommend the belly pad to teach him that peeing in the house is uncomfortable, and teach him to not do it indoors, versus a permanent solution. The problem with catching him in the act is that she kept him with her a lot today so she could catch him in the act - but he went in the short time she took to go down the hall, he is smart, and that is part of the problem, in the past she has corrected him in the past but he doesn't not seem to be affected by that.

I think I want a 'magic' bullet to fix the problem, and we know that does not exist.
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Belly bands work but ask yourself, if you will be ok using them for the next 12 yrs or so, I know breeders who use them, but part of that is their dogs are stud dogs and they have non spayed females. For myself I rather train not do do it at all, the house is mine, the yard is theirs.
When are belly bands appropriate? Maccabee will be traveling with us for several days around Thanksgiving. He is close to being house trained in my house, but we will be staying with my sister. The last time we were at her house (when Maccabee was about 5 months old) I kept him in a collapsible pen or with me (on a leash) at all times. I'd like to give him more freedom this trip, but I am afraid he will mark (my sister has a female lab mix) or pee wherever he pleases, rather than in his litter box or outside.

Would it be appropriate to have him wear a belly band and allow him freedom in the room where we are hanging out? I'd put him in his expen if we go out, and in his crate at night. I'm just talking about while we are cooking or watching tv and can't pay 100% attention.

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Laurie, I know what you mean about worrying your dog will pee in someone else's house. Worry is too stressful for a short visit. bellly bands and doggy panties can work. I did the High Holidays at my brother in-laws in VA, we took Khloe and it was stressful, she did great, my DH was so stressed it made it unpleasent, next time I will take the fancy panties just for his peace of mind.

cpbittner, Just because a dog is neutered, by know means stops them from marking, marking behavior is in their DNA it is territorial, and a way of communicating with other dogs. Catching them once is not enough it is just as hard as house training, sometimes harder depending on the dog, it takes patience and reinforcement over and over. You need to watch your dog at all times and that is hard, you have to know their signs...they have them even for marking, a sniff a bend of the body subtle. When not watching your dog, put your dog in his crate or an area of the house that is easy to clean. I suggest you get a black light bar and check your walls for missed tiny spots...it can be shocking, clean them well and then go over them with vinger. All the best in resolving this problem.

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I did the High Holidays at my brother in-laws in VA, we took Khloe and it was stressful, she did great, my DH was so stressed it made it unpleasent, next time I will take the fancy panties just for his peace of mind.
I just noticed you are in NC. Where? We are going to Asheville for Thanksgiving. I live in Virginia, so we are opposites. LOL.

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I suspect it is marking since he does it more with my wife than me...I assume...or she is more diligent in checking. I am thinking I may get a few pet fences and keep him in the kitchen, but is there merit to using the belly pad to train him marking in the house is not acceptable - my breeder feels that is an option, so am curious if anyone has had success with belly pads. Also, we have lived in this house for 6 years, but the previous owners had male dogs, we have had the carpets cleaned before - but not since we have had Ricco. So maybe a combination of things may need done.
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When are belly bands appropriate? Maccabee will be traveling with us for several days around Thanksgiving. He is close to being house trained in my house, but we will be staying with my sister. The last time we were at her house (when Maccabee was about 5 months old) I kept him in a collapsible pen or with me (on a leash) at all times. I'd like to give him more freedom this trip, but I am afraid he will mark (my sister has a female lab mix) or pee wherever he pleases, rather than in his litter box or outside.

Would it be appropriate to have him wear a belly band and allow him freedom in the room where we are hanging out? I'd put him in his expen if we go out, and in his crate at night. I'm just talking about while we are cooking or watching tv and can't pay 100% attention.
If it were me, if I couldn't keep close tabs on him, he's be in his crate or pen. I am a firm believe that good behavior in other people's houses needs to be taught, just like at home. Yes, it's a lot of work, but it make for a dog you can travel with confidently for years to come. For pet dogs (as opposed to breeders, who have the problem of girls in heat around them!) I would NOT use a belly band except for a dog with an incontinence problem, where they really can't help it.


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I suspect it is marking since he does it more with my wife than me...I assume...or she is more diligent in checking. I am thinking I may get a few pet fences and keep him in the kitchen, but is there merit to using the belly pad to train him marking in the house is not acceptable - my breeder feels that is an option, so am curious if anyone has had success with belly pads. Also, we have lived in this house for 6 years, but the previous owners had male dogs, we have had the carpets cleaned before - but not since we have had Ricco. So maybe a combination of things may need done.
Unfortunately, you can NEVER completely get the smell out of carpeting to the point that the DOGS can't smell it. So it is ALWAYS an added temptation in a carpeted house.

Personally, I can't even imagine how putting a belly band on a dog is going to teach him where it is and isn't acceptable to potty. (or mark, if that's what he is doing) It's not a convenient solution, but the BEST way to get a permanent change in behavior is to go back to "potty kindergarten". i.e., he needs to be confined to a small space that is easy to clean unless someone has their EYES ON HIM at every moment. If he was well house trained to start with, I think a short "refresher course" of a couple of months, plus getting the carpets cleaned as thoroughly as possible in the interim might be enough.

If he doesn't already have one, it might help to give him an acceptable indoor potty option in his confined area as well. When he's doing really well, start slowly expanding the territory where he's allowed as he shows he is trustworthy. Keeping that indoor potty option available at all time will give him an acceptable place to go if he feels the need and someone isn't right there.


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A belly band doesn't teach the dog anything. It just contains it. A feminine pad is used inside the band. They don't find it uncomfortable.
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