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post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 10-12-2007, 11:35 AM Thread Starter
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Mass ignorance

ok..so the title sounds worse than what this thread is going to be about, but here we go.

Today I'm going home to visit family and while I was on the plane there was a lady who'd just travelled to oklahoma to pick up her teeny tiny yorkie terrier. Of course we discussed dogs and where I'd gotten mine and where she'd gotten hers and the more she talked the more I wanted to pop her upside the forehead like that V-8 commercial!!!

Here's her story... She got this dog as a companion to her older yorkie..who she purchased at a pet store for 2500 dollars (yikes!!!) ..well..when she got the first one home she said he had massive amounts of health problems including but not limited to, a collapsed lung!!!!

Carrying on with this story, she said the pet shop had all the paperwork so she contacted the breeder to which her first puppy came from!!! AFTER ALL THAT SHE'D GONE THROUGH!! ..well no surprise, he was a breeder out of Oklahoma. So she travelled from NEW JERSEY to Oklahoma to get her new puppy..and the way she described where she'd been it just amazed me that she was so clueless!!! She said that the breeder had yorkies, malties, and some other dog..but they had to have about 200 yorkies all in kennels outside and all of them were unsocialized because they were barking like crazy when they saw people! she paid 500 dollars because she didn't want to pay 2500 dollars at a pet shop again.. The whole time she's telling me this I'm like..'HEELLOOOO Did you NOT know you were at a puppy mill???? 200 dogs???? ' But you can't SAY that to someone on a plane..it's just rude!

So I tried to educate her for further endeavors in puppy buying. I told her to look for local breeders that don't have large kennels and have only one litter at a time. That you can tell if a puppy is cared for and it's worth the sacrifice financially to buy a puppy that was born in a loving environment where they were cared for by hand by someone who loves their dogs. If she's willing to pay 2500 dollars for a dog, she should be ok with going through a private breeder..especially for a yorkie!!

I reverted her to puppyfind because that's where I got capote and told her that it was a better site than what the pet shop could give her. That and since the breeders were local at the very least she could go and visit the sight and if she wasn't comfortable she could easily walk away instead of flying to the middle of the country to find a puppy! I forgot to mention a forum or a reference program but now that I'm thinking about it I wish I did..

It just makes me wonder if noones seen Animal planet!!??? How can you watch Animal Patrol and not instantly be informed about puppymills and how to spot one??? The information is just so prevalent! There's a pet shop in dallas that you walk into and you instantly know it's a bad place...And she had that feeling, but still bought the dog!! She didn't seem to have one regret in either case about getting her dogs where she did so I tried to tread lightly.. But it was just heartbreaking to know that more money went into that industry instead of to someone who really cared for the puppy that they were raising..

At the very least, one dog went to a good home instead of having to grow up there..
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Duh!! 200 dogs - did she seem like an idiot to you??? Geez.

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It's amazing the number of people who don't know anything about buying dogs. SO MANY people buy dogs from pet stores, it's actually very sad. I've had more than one person ask me why I went through a breeder instead of just buying a puppy at the pet store. It really makes me upset when that happens. I always say that I would much rather not have a dog from a puppy mill and that I would never want to support that kind of business. You wouldn't believe the number of people who ask me what a puppy mill is when I say that. I try to inform as many people as possible about puppy mills. Hopefully one day it will just be common knowledge.


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I agree that there is so much ignorance out there that it is nauseating. Man, I do remember a time when I was that ignorant.... Sad, I know.

I guess people don't want to have clue because that leaves them with the responsibility to act in the right way. When you are ignorant, then you can just buy a puppy whenever you want without feeling any guilt about doing the right thing. How many times have we seen on tv all the info about puppy mill and pet shop pets... Sigh...

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The PJ Pet Stores down here in Toronto are now carrying Havanese puppies.. So, obviously they are getting pretty popular..
I saw someone with a havanese puppy at our petsmart a while ago, he said he bought him from PJ's.. ughhhh..
I asked why he choose the pet store over a breeder? He said he had no clue how to locate where a breeder might be.. lol.. hmmm.???? never heard of something called the internet?
He also said breeders charge more.. which is not true. Although, that might be a common misconception though?
The havs at the store go for about 1600-2000... and they have no history...
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That is unbelievable.. Good for you Mindy for taking the time to try & educate her.

So you are home to visit family you say.. Yea right I know why you are here. Do you happen to be going to a game tonight??

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That's sad......all of it.......I think most people do not educate themselves ahead of time and are more "impulse" oriented.I think people need to educate themselves not only on puppymills,and petshops,but on the breed themselves.So many buy a puppy -and let's face it--even hunting dogs(I don't like)are cute as puppies,but they all grow up.Heck pit bulls are cute as pups,but I don't want one...but people do not realize what they are getting.They do not realize that certain breeds have different needs and are bred for running,trailing,hunting,herding,guarding etc.When the new wears off and the puppy grows and develops the traits,people do not want them anymore.It's very sad.I see it right next door to me...and Amanda has it next door to her,and Kara too.........Breed education would be a giant step in the right direction.Then after they decided on a breed,you look for a breeder etc..just my opinion.

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That's sad......all of it.......I think most people do not educate themselves ahead of time and are more "impulse" oriented.I think people need to educate themselves not only on puppymills,and petshops,but on the breed themselves.So many buy a puppy -and let's face it--even hunting dogs(I don't like)are cute as puppies,but they all grow up.Heck pit bulls are cute as pups,but I don't want one...but people do not realize what they are getting.They do not realize that certain breeds have different needs and are bred for running,trailing,hunting,herding,guarding etc.When the new wears off and the puppy grows and develops the traits,people do not want them anymore.It's very sad.I see it right next door to me...and Amanda has it next door to her,and Kara too.........Breed education would be a giant step in the right direction.Then after they decided on a breed,you look for a breeder etc..just my opinion.
Oh I agree!

And Julie......I LECTURED them on this. I encouraged them to research the breeds and find a breed that suited their lifestyle (basically a dog that needs ZERO attention) Because these people don't even pay much mind to their kids, much less a dog.

And you know what she told me. "Any dog that has Lab in it is a great dog".

aHem! Double oh VEY! She jest??????

*sigh*

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I'm a BIG proponent of getting a breed that is temperamentally good for you rather than getting one based on looks alone. I just had a friend stay here with me for a week with her fiance, who is not a big dog person. Well, both of them fell in LOVE with Kubrick. He said that Kubrick was the first dog he had ever touched that he didn't feel like he needed to wash his hands straight afterwards. So, based on the fact that Kubrick didn't bark, didn't shed, didn't have a dog smell and was well behaved and well tempered, he let my friend finally get a dog. I was very excited and was prepared to send them a bunch of information on Havanese breeders and rescue groups in case they wanted an older dog. I called her the other day and she was SO excited because she had picked up her dog. I asked her where she had gotten a Havanese from and she told me that she got a Pomeranian/Terrier mix. I couldn't believe it! She just went into a shelter and picked the first dog that she thought looked cute.

During the 10 minute conversation I heard her tell the dog "No" about 50 times. He was barking like crazy and running around the house. What I don't understand is if they liked the way that Kubrick acted, why in the world would they get a dog that's a completely different breed and that acts completely differently? I'm afraid that now her fiance is going to be fed up with the dog and have him sent back because he isn't AT ALL what they liked and wanted in a dog based on what they saw in Kubrick. Sometimes I just want to even my closest friends.


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I have to say something and please don't hate me. My first Yorkie came from a pet store here in town. I was able to talk to the breeder also before purchasing my puppy. Seem's she didn't want anyone knowing her female threw larger then normal Yorkies and sold him to the pet store to get rid of. He has been a wonderful dog and has no health problems. Just a very, very large Yorkie. I did not pay a large price for him like I have paid for my Havanese puppies. So please check in why and where the puppies come from in the pet stores first before throwing stones at them. Yes there are some very bad ones out there just like breeder's on Puppyfind and other links with puppies for sale. Do your homework and keep an open mind please.
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