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True Chocolate Color

I know there are a lot of dominate colors for the Havs but does the a True Chocolate Hav a rare or common color?

Lily attached picture is 5 months old and a someone told me she is a rare chocolate Hav.
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I have a chocolate too, and I have always heard they are rare.


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Chocolate is not one of the most common colors... largely because most good breeders don't purposely breed for color. If you look at colors in general, there are SO many that MOST colors, by themselves, might be considered "rare", with the possible exception of B&W and Sable.

It IS unusual for chocolates to stay as dark as they are when they are puppies. Some do, but most fade... from a little to a lot. Your little cutie is adorable, but she's too young to know whether she will stay that color or lighten up over time. (oh, and to make things more confusing (exciting? ) Many Havs will go through periods of getting lighter, then darker, then lighter for their whole lives!

P.S. I have a friend who is a breeder. Her parent dogs are NOT chocolate, and she's averaging about 50% puppies that are some shade of chocolate. So they aren't rare for her!. OTOH, she doesn't really care what color they are... she's breeding to produce healthy dogs with good conformation and great temperaments. And that's what breeders SHOULD concentrate on.


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Maybe there just happen to be lots of people on this site with chocolate Havs, but they don't really seem particularly rare to me.

Your baby is adorable, no matter what her colour or how rare she may be!! LOL

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Am I the only one that sees part Yorkie in the picture? How old is your puppy? the ears and hair texture just look off to me in some way...?

I think some 'breeders' use the "rare" word to draw customers in and/or charge more for those puppies.
Personally I am not a fan of the chocolates.
sorry to be blunt.

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She is 5 months old.
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[QUI TEwe=TilliesMom;520194]Am I the only one that sees part Yorkie in the picture? How old is your puppy? the ears and hair texture just look off to me in some way...?

I think some 'breeders' use the "rare" word to draw customers in and/or charge more for those puppies.
Personally I am not a fan of the chocolates.
sorry to be blunt.[/QUOTE]

Maybe the ears are flopping upward because the pup is looking up and at that age the hair isnt long enough to "weigh" the ears down.

If I see a breeder charging more for a certain color that is an immediate "fail" in my book. I do like the color, and for many breeders it seems to just pop up randomly.
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The ones I've seen stay a true chocolate tend to be very dark as puppies. Some chocolates have a silvering gene so they may actually end up a very light brown to light copper, and the coloring can vary and be patchy-looking on the dog's body. This puppy has a lot of highlights in the coat so my educated guess is that she will lighten, but then again sometimes they can go through color changes during their lives so they can lighten or darken. You would have to look at other chocolate adult relatives to get a better idea.

Since people tend to not like the fading chocolate coloring, breeders who produce non fading chocolates will state it on their website, along with pictures of an adult chocolate dog. If the breeder doesn't explicitly say "non-fading", at least from my observation, the chocolate puppies produced may have a higher chance of fading, most likely BC the breeder just wants to take advantage of the lable.

Breeders who produce chocolates tend to be either at the top or the bottom of breeder quality. At the top you have breeders who show and do all the required health testing, and who almost always do not specialize in chocolates (I can think of only one that I think is probably reputable, and that's Twins Havanese). At the bottom you have breeders that don't show (or don't use a titled stud), don't tell the buyers that the puppy color (that they are probably charging extra for) may fade, don't do all the health testings, don't care to analyze and plan out a healthy pedigree, and IMHO market and take advantage of people wanting a puppy based on the color.
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Another thing to point out is that the color, "chocolate", is determined by nose and eye rim color, NOT coat color. You can have a dog (or puppy) that has a pale cream coat, and if it has a chocolate nose amd eye rims, it is still a chocolate.


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Cutie! As a breeder I don't see chocolates as rare. I hate it when people use that word so they can charge more, crazy! But it does look like your baby may have the silvering gene. I had a chocolate boy that was born pretty dark, but he ended up as a silver with a bit darker head as an adult. But I think Havs are AWESOME no matter what color they are!


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