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For breeders: pulling a stuck puppy

I posted this on the Breeders Forum and someone called it to my attention that only Breeders who know how to register for that Forum can see it so I thought I would post it here for those Breeders not registered to use the Breeders Forum.



Sometimes a puppy will be delivered backwards and Mom is not able to push it all the way out. Typically the back end will come out and can get stuck anywhere from mid hips to right behind the shoulders. Once the big part of the pup is out the mother doesn't have enough puppy left inside left to push against.

If the stuck puppy is not pulled out QUICKLY it will not live. I've heard and read that while in the delivery canal and until it takes the first breath that it's without oxygen. I'm no scientist but just accept this as fact and have been told by a number of vets that the pup has to be pulled out quickly regardless of what it takes or it will die anyway.

Obviously we don't want any to die. I have even heard of one being disemboweled while being pulled and certainly don't want to cause the pup ANY damage much less anything as awful as that.

It might only take 5 seconds but here's what I do. I get a couple of fingers in front of the femurs and pull gently while sliding the bitches lips up the puppy's ribcage. The puppy in the sack is much to slick to get any kind of grip on and the disemboweling story has always scared me. The goal is to get the puppy out far enough until another pair of fingers can get in front of the shoulders. Once you are able to get in front of the shoulders, the battle is won. You can't be scared or hesitate. The life of the pup is in your hands. Really. As soon as the pup is out I break the sack over it's mouth so oxygen can get in as soon as possible.

We had a litter of puppies born a few days ago and while Pam was taking a break I had to pull one. It's fine. I just tend to forget about these details after the fact and thought I'd go ahead and post this while it's fresh in my mind.

My best friend that I grew up with (who was on the team that won the Nobel Prize for Physics last year-Brag) came from a family who raised beef cows. I had to help him pull a calf on his wedding day while he was in his Tux about 1 1/2 hour before the ceremony. Calves don't have as good a chance as puppies. I've never heard of one living but the cow will also die if you don't pull the calf. Sometimes this operation requires the use of a tractor.

Pam and I have also had to pull foals from horses. Foals need to come out with both front feet and nose through the opening first. The best horse we have ever bred, now 5, was coming out with one foot and nose only. The other front leg was curled up. We called our vet but he was upside down beside the road (truck driven by 8 1/2 month pregnant wife-both fine) and he couldn't help us and we couldn't go help them right then. We had to push the colt back in and reach in to straighten the leg. By then the mare was really tired and Pam and I were both sitting on the floor of the stall each with a front leg and our feet on the mares butt.

For some reason, the ones you have to pull always turn out to be special ones.

I hope this post might be of use to some breeders. There are a lot of new and relatively new breeders now.
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Tom thank you!!!!!!

I didn't even realize the other section was still open, no one ever used it.
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For some reason, the ones you have to pull always turn out to be special ones.
You have no idea how true that line rings with me! I had to pull Piaget out. He was larger than the others. He was last and his momma was so tired and after he was halfway out, she decided she was done and going to take a nap. I was very worried and upset, for fear that we'd lose them both. I didn't say anything out loud to my daughter, but she also knew and she began a very panicky way of cheering on the dam, with obvious tears forming in her eyes. (That made me even more anxious to see her realize what was happening and get so upset.)

Thank you for posting this. Whelping is not always an easy task.

In this particular situation, I don't remember the details on what we did with the dam (if we made her stand again or let her lay), but we encouraged her with some of her favorite kitchen treats that we had on hand (per the advise of a long time Hav breeder) and grabbed a sterile washcloth and pulled Piaget out. It still took many minutes and I wasn't sure that he'd live, but he saved that first breath for us. Thank goodness.

And yes, I think he's turned out rather special - so have his brothers, but I have a special place in my heart for this little buggar!
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Such an eye opener. I am only a pet owner but learning from this site as well as other lists I do have a deep respect for good breeders. It is not for the faint of heart and is serious business. Thank you to all of you great breeders out there who care so much to put so much time and effort and care into what you do.

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Helen, I would love to have you by my side during a whelping. It is a whole lot of excitement and joy, but when you get a difficult pup, it is really freaky.

I went to watch a friend's bitch whelp and she had a pup born so disfigured that it wasn't possible for the pup to live (brain born outside the skull), and yet, I never expected a dam just deciding she was done.
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These things are good for us non breeders who think puppies are all fun to hear about! Yeah, I think I need a boy dog

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Amanda, you need to come assist me on our next whelp!
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Kimberly,
If the last one was stuck, and you had to wait a few mins to pull it out, you would turn around to me gone and a few puppies gone!

It reminds me, I have a friend who raised goats (well she was kind of an acquaintance) and she brought pictures of her new goat litters. I was really excited and then she showed me pictures of one goat that didn't survive and OMG... that reminded me how weak stomached I was and I don't think I could handle that. Just so you can truly understand why I shouldn't breed.... later, when they were explaining how goats are neutered, I asked the question "do you just take the band off when they need to potty?"

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I would be honored to assist and learn, but trust me I cry during Disney movies, so I don't think I could keep it together.... I am so flaky that way.... Sigh, I just get all emotional - must be the Latina in me...

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Oh, Amanda! That's terrible, yet funny. I'm definitely a city girl more than I'm a country girl, so you can come join me on my next panicky moment during whelp. Helen, I'm sure you'd do just fine too. I will never put a video camera on me (or my daughter) when we are assisting one of our girls in whelp. Yes, you do what you need to do in the moment, but I'm sure we have a few horrid expressions on our face too.
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