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Please Stop Growing!

Seems like there have been a lot of posts on here lately about Havanese weights. Well, I stopped by the vet yesterday to pick up some flea meds and get Benjamin weighed, and found that at 1 year and 2 months he is now 18 lbs! The vet says he is not fat at all, just big. I really hope he is pretty much at his full weight by now, just because he still just fits into his little carrying case, and I'd rather not have to buy another one, but mostly because the little bugger is getting hard for me to carry! I was told that his mom weighed 10 lbs and dad 13 lbs, so I was thinking he'd probably top out at 13 to 15 lbs. Well, I will manage no matter how big he gets, but it a bit of a struggle to lift him up and down from his car seat, or to carry him in his carrier. I take him shopping with me all the time, and he rides around in the grocery cart so that's no problem. It's just lugging him from the car to the cart, and then lifting him up into it. Hey, buddy, I'm not getting any younger! Oh well, it helps me stay in shape, but I'm just a little surprised that he is getting so big!!!


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He probably is done with height but many dogs still "fill in" some afterwards.
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Just wondering was he neutered before he turned 1?
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Just wondering was he neutered before he turned 1?
I always wonder if Kodi would have stayed a bit smaller if I'd known what I do now, and waited longer to neuter him. (he was done at 7 months)


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I always wonder if Kodi would have stayed a bit smaller if I'd known what I do now, and waited longer to neuter him. (he was done at 7 months)
I would love to read up on this. Is there anywhere specifically you found this information?
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I would love to read up on this. Is there anywhere specifically you found this information?
It is well known in horses that males neutered before maturity grow taller. That is why they geld smaller race colts... to get a little more leg-length on them.

Now there is a growing body of evidence that this is true in dogs too. Dogs that are neutered early tend to be taller and narrower. Kodi would STILL have been a big Hav, but since he is just a shade over the standard for height, I will always wonder if I had waited to neuter him, if he would have stayed under. It doesn't matter... He was sold to me with the understanding that he would be neutered, and even if he's remained within standard, his family is WELL represented in the gene pool. (he has a number of close relatives, including several full siblings right here on the forum!) His gorgeous sire is still standing at stud, and the Kings have kept a smaller pup from a later litter of his parents to breed on.

This is a much bigger issue in large breed dogs, where early, fast growth can lead to joint/arthritis as the dog ages. While our little guys might get a BIT bigger, they are STILL too small for that to be a real issue.

(BTW, even among Kodi's neutered brothers, he is the ONLY one who got as big as he is. So it's not JUST an issue of neutering, and both of Kodi's parents are RIGHT in the middle of the "preferred" size range. It's also how the genes of past dogs in the pedigree roll the dice!)


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I have a similar case. My Havanese is 8 months old and just yesterday weighed in at 20.8 pounds! He was the largest of his litter--I am still in touch with one of his brothers who is half his weight. I'm guessing he's just BIG. He hasn't been neutered yet--will be in a couple of weeks.

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Benjamin was neutered at 8 1/2 months. I had to do it that early because I wanted to bring him to daycare and they required it, and also because he was getting really squirrely with marking (fortunately only outside) and humping my leg. Interesting info on the early neutering business, but I am wondering too if the "bigness genes" are just becoming more prevalent within the breed. Or maybe they're getting fed better? Well, it really doesn't matter that much to me, it's just not what I expected. I do know that I've seen a few really tiny dogs (not Havanese) that weighed maybe 3 pounds as adults, and I definitely would not want that. For me, the Havanese, from smallest to largest, are within the perfect size range.

Larry, it does sound like you have a particularly big one. It will be interesting to see how big he ends up as an adult!


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Benjamin was neutered at 8 1/2 months. I had to do it that early because I wanted to bring him to daycare and they required it, and also because he was getting really squirrely with marking (fortunately only outside) and humping my leg. Interesting info on the early neutering business, but I am wondering too if the "bigness genes" are just becoming more prevalent within the breed. Or maybe they're getting fed better? Well, it really doesn't matter that much to me, it's just not what I expected. I do know that I've seen a few really tiny dogs (not Havanese) that weighed maybe 3 pounds as adults, and I definitely would not want that. For me, the Havanese, from smallest to largest, are within the perfect size range.
I really don't believe that the breed, as a whole is getting larger. There were ALWAYS big dogs in the breed. Kodi's breeder has been breeding Havanese for MANY years (I believe 6 generations at this point) and the size of the dogs the produce (with the exception of my jackpot pup ) has been pretty uniform over that entire time.

When I look at dogs in the show ring, and talk to breeders involved in our local club, they are all producing dogs of moderate size around here.

Again, if you count in all the BYB's and puppy mills that do NOT work on breeding to standard, of course that is going to skew the averages. We probably wouldn't be able to get people to give that information, but I bet if you asked people what their dog's size was AND whether the dog came from a breeder who BREEDS TO STANDARD AND titles their breeding stock, I think you wouldn't see so many that were way above standard in size. And as I've said, though Kodi is above standard, it's just a bit. He's not ENORMOUSLY over standard.


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II bet if you asked people what their dog's size was AND whether the dog came from a breeder who BREEDS TO STANDARD AND titles their breeding stock, I think you wouldn't see so many that were way above standard in size. And as I've said, though Kodi is above standard, it's just a bit. He's not ENORMOUSLY over standard.
For the record, my own dog (weighing in at nearly 21 pounds at 8 mos.) is from a breeder who breeds to standard. I'm no expert on breeding, but I was provided all the information on the breeding stock, siblings, etc. The mother is an AKC champion, and I believe the father is as well. Schroeder was a fluke, the only one of his litter that exceeded the standard in this way.

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