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Hi, I'm new here

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Been lurking and learning from this site for a while now, but this is my first post..I'm not sure if this is the right spot to ask this but here goes after learning of the most important things in searching for a quality breeder (health testing, socialization, etc.) I decided to send a deposit. It's totally refundable, that's not my problem.

So, we go to see the pups. My heart melted at the cuteness, BUT, the place was not clean. Strong urine smell upon entering, adult dogs pee'ing where I was supposed to play with pups, etc. The mom dogs were eating the pup's poop!!

Is this normal? All health tests are done, I don't know if I'm being unrealistic. Just disappointed. Please advise. Thank you
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post #2 of 44 (permalink) Old 06-18-2013, 07:11 PM
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Have you checked health test results yourself at offa.org? I think I would be turned off by adult dogs peeing in the house, not too good a start for a puppy that you want to be house trained. How many dogs were there? As for dogs eating poop, Timmy doesn't, but some dogs do so that's not too unusual, but poop in the house hmmmmm. What did they say in terms of socialization? Were the adult dogs friendly? I'm sure others will chime in with their two cents, I'm certainly not an expert.

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Thanks so much for answering my post. The pet health papers check out but, I was just expecting so much more. I fell in LOVE w one who I feel should be taken out of this squalor, that's just me tho.. They are not socialized w children, I don't have any young ones at home so don't know how much of a problem this is.

We are experienced dog owners. Not with toy breeds though. Please share any advice. I understand there can be "smell" with so many dogs in a confined area, but I was shocked at the lack of cleanliness. Am I wrong?
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How many dogs and puppies were there and what was their living situation? In the house, puppies in an expen? And were the adult dogs peeing/pooping on the floor or just the puppies?
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There were quite a few adult dogs, the moms, and others. The pups were in an x-pen. When let out, the pups ran loose and the moms ate the poop. Okay, yuck! Perhaps this is normal?

I just want to rescue this pup but at $2G, should I look elsewhere ?
Sorry if these question shouldn't be asked, just looking for advice. The breeder comes highly recommended so, I don't know? Not what I was expecting!
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How old were the puppies? The Moms do clean up after the puppies while they are still nursing. Once they start eating food, it should stop.
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Timmy's mom: the adult dogs were very friendly & the pup we fell in love with was SO sweet. Yes, it appears the mom dogs were pee'ing indoors, something said about hormones? It was just not what we were expecting but not sure if I should hold this against the pup. Jeez, we just want to get it out of there!

As far as socialization, don't believe they're exposed to children.
Thanks for your reply, we are so confused.
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Tom, thanks for your reply! They are 4 weeks old. Good to hear it's not unusual for mom's to "clean up".
The breeder is highly recommended, so, maybe I'm just being too (something) can't think of the word, ha!

We do have the opportunity to meet another breeder that has a pup, here comes the BUT..she doesn't do health testing to the extent the stinky house does. So, would you consider cleanliness & socialization over health testing & a maybe not such a great start? Is this something I can turn around?
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bit of a red flag , the lack of cleanliness and housetraining. If you decide to take that one ,ask for it at eight weeks. Welcome

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Thanks, Dave.
It was said the pup might be kept longer due to its size (smallest). We felt the sooner we got it out of there, the better. They are not starting potty training from what we could see, I feel positive this pup would better in a clean environment. It was overwhelming!

It's our nature to rescue dogs, but again, at this price, should we look elsewhere ? Seriously.
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