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1 or 2?

I have an chance to get a Hav rescue, but have to make a decision today! She has been adopted by a family I know thru my daughter. They got her this past Sunday, but are thinking of returning her tomorrow. My daughter (a dog trainer) has shared many pics & videos of her this week. Our Kallie is 14 mo old, and our beautiful, really precious girl. The rescue is also female, 3 yrs old (given up because of owner health issues). She has seizures, but controlled by meds. Looking at her rear end, her gait seems a little stiff instead of fluid like Kallie's. She's seems really depressed right now, but I think it's due to new environment. But to my real question:

Which is better, 1 Hav or 2? On one hand, it gives Kallie a playmate, and gives this little rescue a pampered life. One the other hand, I do have concerns about her seizures. In thinking about it, maybe the meds are making her seem depressed (hadn't thought of that before). Anyway, need some input on having 1 vs 2. I've never had 2 dogs before.

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Don't make a decision to get a second dog based on what you think your dog might like. Dogs adapt to living alone and dogs adapt to other dogs. It has to be whether YOU want another dog, and in this case, whether you want to take on the work, bills and possible heartache that go along with a "special needs" dog. There is no right or wrong answer... just the answer that is right for you and your family!


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Depends a lot on whether Kallie and the other dog like other dogs generally and seem ok with each other in particular. Introduce carefully on neutral ground and see if they have any interest in each other. For you, it will double the grooming, training, exercising needs, vet bills, food bills, toy bills, etc., so you have to decide if you are comfortable with that. Personally, I have always had 3-4 dogs at a time and thoroughly enjoy watching them interact but I am in my mid 50's and haven't had just a single dog since I was in my early 20's so for me taking care of multiples seems "normal".


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Why doesn't the family like her? Thats so sad.

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Suzi, I know! The family actually met Kallie the week before because they had never been around a Hav. They fell in love with her. They have 10 & 7 yr old girls. The 7 yr old braided Kallie's hair. She's the one the dog was actually for (her birthday). The dog's been in foster care for a few weeks. So the family picked her up on Sunday for a 2 hr drive home (she's not used to car rides). She's also not real familiar with kids. So when they got her home, she was running around sniffing, etc. They had the neighbors over for a cookout, along with their children. I think was it all way too much for the poor thing, and she had a seizure. She loves her crate, and that's where she wants to be. Her safe place. So the next morning, she had another seizure. After that, she was very lethargic & mopey. Didn't want to come out of her crate. She was completely pee pad trained by PO's, and this new family isn't having any of that. She's to go outside. She has never done stairs, and for her to go outside to potty, there are steps down from her deck. She peed on their deck, which didn't go over very well. The girls aren't real happy because they wanted a bouncy fun Kallie (who's 14 mo old). My daughter says she's a very sweet little thing. When she was over there last night, she coaxed her out of her cage & got her to actually chew on one of her toys. The new owner said she's never seen her do that. I really think they're just inexperienced new owners, and concerned that she's not going to come out of this shyness. My daughter & I both think she's just very overwhelmed & needs time. One of the comments was "We've had her over 4 days, and she's STILL not wanting to potty on the grass. We put her down & she just stands there!" The little thing had NEVER been on grass before last Sunday. And the seizures now have them concerned, because they thought they were under control with the meds. My heart just breaks for the poor little thing! She absolutely adorable (from pics & video)

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Suzi, I know! The family actually met Kallie the week before because they had never been around a Hav. They fell in love with her. They have 10 & 7 yr old girls. The 7 yr old braided Kallie's hair. She's the one the dog was actually for (her birthday). The dog's been in foster care for a few weeks. So the family picked her up on Sunday for a 2 hr drive home (she's not used to car rides). She's also not real familiar with kids. So when they got her home, she was running around sniffing, etc. They had the neighbors over for a cookout, along with their children. I think was it all way too much for the poor thing, and she had a seizure. She loves her crate, and that's where she wants to be. Her safe place. So the next morning, she had another seizure. After that, she was very lethargic & mopey. Didn't want to come out of her crate. She was completely pee pad trained by PO's, and this new family isn't having any of that. She's to go outside. She has never done stairs, and for her to go outside to potty, there are steps down from her deck. She peed on their deck, which didn't go over very well. The girls aren't real happy because they wanted a bouncy fun Kallie (who's 14 mo old). My daughter says she's a very sweet little thing. When she was over there last night, she coaxed her out of her cage & got her to actually chew on one of her toys. The new owner said she's never seen her do that. I really think they're just inexperienced new owners, and concerned that she's not going to come out of this shyness. My daughter & I both think she's just very overwhelmed & needs time. One of the comments was "We've had her over 4 days, and she's STILL not wanting to potty on the grass. We put her down & she just stands there!" The little thing had NEVER been on grass before last Sunday. And the seizures now have them concerned, because they thought they were under control with the meds. My heart just breaks for the poor little thing! She absolutely adorable (from pics & video)
I think she really needs you to adopt her and give her a good life. Was the rescue a Havanese Rescue? From what you're saying you are willing to give her the love and time she needs to adjust and get her seizures under control. I would hate to have her go back to a foster home and then another home. That would be sad. Please don't just let them return her. The place they got her doesn't sound like they did their homework well at placing her.

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Hi Pat,
I was just reading these posts and wanted to add my two cents. It certainly does seem like the family that adopted this little girl doesn't seem too experienced or patient. I can say from experience, having a cat with epilepsy, that it does require a commitment. Medications do a great job keeping her seizures under control, but you have to administer them ALL THE TIME AND ON A SCHEDULE. My cat gets two medications three times a day. If I'm not there for her mid day dose she's locked in my room with an automatic feeder that contains her dosage. With that being said, she does still have seizures occasionally and I do think they are brought on by stress and perhaps not getting her meds either by spitting them out without me seeing or not eating her food with the meds in them. Seizures themselves are exhausting, but depending on the meds, at least my cat's, does make her a bit dopey. She has to get her medication levels checked at least every six months, and if we make a change we have to do them every two weeks until we're in a good place. So with that said, I wouldn't trade my cat for the world, I got her as a kitten and she developed epilepsy when she was two years old and now she's eight. She leads a very happy life despite her condition. I am surprised though that the rescue would adopt out a special needs girl to an inexperienced family especially if she didn't have interactions with kids. Don't get a dog for Kallie, it has to be your decision because you are making the commitment not her. I know an animal with seizures can be intimidating but if their siezures are controlled with medication, some aren't, consider yourself lucky because they can have a quality of life and make great pets.

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Thanks for the input! My biggest concern with getting her is that we travel quite a big. Kallie goes with us. But with a seizure prone dog, I don't know if the stress of travel will cause her seizures to be more often, or progressively worse. The only way to tell is to get her & see. But I surely don't want cause her more anxiety! If we were stay-at-homes, I wouldn't even hesitate. But the travel does concern me. I'm fairly certain I can get her used to the car rides (Kallie was awful at riding for the first 6 months!). Such a tough decision.

Suzi, I'm not sure if it was a Hav rescue or not. But the foster lady knew the PO's & had done holistic therapy on her for her seizures. So I'm sure she was more comfortable being with someone she was already familiar with.

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My cat comes with us when we go to our beach house, friends houses and occasionally a hotel, she's a great traveler. I have another cat that I leave at home when we go any where because she wouldn't be able to handle the trip. If the dog is comfortable being in a carrier and has some stability with you she might be fine. Is she a shy or tentative dog to begin with? If so, it could be harder. My seizure cat, Zuzu, is very outgoing so perhaps that's why she travels so well. I would even be okay going by plane with her if it were ever necessary.

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Thanks for that info, Jen. I don't know if she was originally shy or tenative. Apparently the foster didn't state that. It is good to hear that there's a chance she would do well travelling. She did fine in her crate travelling last Sunday to new owners. But I think it added to her stress level. My guess is the new surroundings, and the excitement of children running up to her, picking her up, etc triggered the seizures. And obviously she's missing her PO's.

The new family did get quite a nice, lengthy letter from her PO's. They obviously loved her very much, and she was quite pampered. My daughter says she has more clothes than Barbie! In the letter, the PO explains which are her favorite outfits, toys, etc. She came with her crate, all of her toys, all of her clothes, heartworm med, seizure med, and pee pad set-up. With all of this being said, perhaps her feet never hit the floor!! Her tail has been down since Sunday. Last night, while playing with a toy for a minute or so, her tail did go up. So that was a great sign. And she was playfully nibbling on my daughter's finger. And she followed my grand-dog around the yard. He's a gentleman's gentleman! And she sat with him on the deck, side by side.

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