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Hi...I pm'd Melissa about this, but I think she's left for her vacation, so I thought I'd put this up here. Someone here had suggested I that a talk to somebody involved in rescue to get some tips on helping Amy get adjusted. I wondered if anyone here does rescue & if so, could we chat about some issues we're having. I know the trainer has given me some great advice, but I think it will help to talk with someone who has experience with this particular breed. I read all these posts about what great companions Havanese are, but according tothe trainer, I'm supposed to basically ignore Amy most of the time. This isn't doing much for our bonding! Is there anyone here with rescue experience who might be willing to have a 20 minute conversation with me??? I would SO appreciate it!!!!!!! Thanks!

Also.....I can't find the link to order the calendar. Is this something to talk to Melissa about when she gets back?

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Jen. I know there are a few people who are involved in rescue. They should see your thread and maybe you can set up a time in the chat room.

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Jen, I am with you on the thought that ignoring her doesnt really help with bonding. I know that there are a few on here who have rescues and I am sure they will see this once they come on and will be happy to help you. Keep bumping the thread up so it is seen.
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I have 3 Havs. My youngest we got from a rescue but he was 11 weeks old. He is 9 months old now. He is a terrific dog. I am not sure what good it is to ignore a dog. Your dog needs to bond with you. Plus Havanese are 'velcro' dogs & desperately need to be with you. I think Amanda does rescue work. She maybe able to help.

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I can't imagine ignoring the dog either as a way of making things better. They are such love sponges that it must be sad and frightening for her not to feel your love or to be unsure of it.

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The reason why the trainer said that I should ignore her was because she wasn't seeing me as the alpha. She felt that I was giving her too much attention & that Amy needed to know that I'm the leader. I'm not supposed to hold her on my lap or engage in any attention if she initiates it & I'm only supposed to initiate affection with her once a day. Amy follows me everywhere, which is ok, but there is certain NEED she has to be in my sight that goes beyond the "norm" and is true seperation anxiety. I believe that Amy is seeing me as the alpha now & I'm not comfortable withholding attention. That's not why I got a dog! She has so many issues that come a lack of human interaction. I think this is where a person w/rescue experience could really help me!!

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Maybe the trainer just means to do it for a little while, until you have established the alpha role. So they didnt say withhold all attention,just when she is begging for it. Gosh, I can understand the concept, but that would break my heart!! I hope this works out for you, it must be hard!

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Jen, I hope Amanda can put you in touch with someone from rescue. I am a rescue volunteer but very new at it so I'll leave it to Amanada. I think the idea of ignoring Amy is a bad one. I don't think ignoring her is teaching her that you are the alpha. Perhaps putting her on the NILIF program might help her realize that you are in charge. NILIF is the Nothing In Life is Free program and it means that for anything Amy gets from you (food, attention, treats, etc) she has to do something like sit, down, etc. Using NILIF teaches the dog that you are the source of all good things and to get all the good things, they must earn them. Using this idea, you can play with Amy all you want and hold her all you want and do some basic obedience training which would be fun for her and for you, which will help with the bonding.
Jen, follow your heart and do what it tells you is best for Amy. She's a work in progress and you are the one who knows her history and her personality. There is no one training method that is universal and appropriate for ALL dogs, no matter what a trainer says.

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I have a seven year old rescue who I adopted last February. She also has seperation issues but is helped enormously by my other dog who is very calm.

I understand that the trainer does not want you giving her affection when she's stressed because that sends the wrong message. But as far as only giving affection once a day and all that, seems too rigid to me.

How long have you had the rescue?
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Jen, I think I probably do alot of the NILIF program and didn't realize it. I have to say it does make them see you as the alpha and you don't have to withold any affection. But just make sure that you don't give her attention everytime she wants it. Try every third time. After a while it will become the norm for you and her. You are doing great with her. She is very lucky to have you.

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