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I have a Havanese and she is about 2 1/2. I do most of her grooming except when she needs nail trim and haircut. I took her to get her nails clipped and groomer said she had soft nails...don't know why? She is in perfect health and last June had annual bloodwork and everything was fine. She has white nails but recently they are alittle yellowed. She has the characteristics of a Chocolate, however, we just call her a freak of nature. She has green eyes and light nose and her eye rims are light as well. She is White with streaks of light brown or Apricot. We think she is a beauty. Anybody have this issue or know what causes it?Vet thinks her diet is fine. Kinda worried but seems fine other then that. Perplexed.
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I have a Havanese and she is about 2 1/2. I do most of her grooming except when she needs nail trim and haircut. I took her to get her nails clipped and groomer said she had soft nails...don't know why? She is in perfect health and last June had annual bloodwork and everything was fine. She has white nails but recently they are alittle yellowed. She has the characteristics of a Chocolate, however, we just call her a freak of nature. She has green eyes and light nose and her eye rims are light as well. She is White with streaks of light brown or Apricot. We think she is a beauty. Anybody have this issue or know what causes it?Vet thinks her diet is fine. Kinda worried but seems fine other then that. Perplexed.
What is her diet? Not to knock your vet but many do not specialize in dog nutrition. I go to a conventional vet and a holistic one and they differ on what my dogs should eat.
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My vet suggests science diet. I know lots of people have a problem with it but I supplement with sweet potatoes and some other natural snacks. I also give her Angel Eyes maybe once on her food every 2 weeks and that is it. We have another dog a rescue who is about 2 years older and they both eat at the same time so feeding two different things can get a bit difficult. Lacey, our Havenese, tends to eat everything in site and she has been known to jump on the counter and eat the kids smoothies, breakfast tacos or whatever else her wonderful nose has the pleasure of finding! She is a lively handful!
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Science Diet is not a very good food. Just look at the list of ingredients. Maybe you should consider switching BOTH dogs to something more nutritious.

As far as you Hav's color is concerned, it's not at all unusual for a chocolate to fade like yours has, especially if it was a chocolate sable to start with.


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Thanks for your response about food. I read somewhere that they have to have about 25% Chocolate to be considered for that with light eyes...I personally don't know. I downloaded some pictures of her...she has a beautiful coat mostly white but throughout her back she has light apricot or light brown streaks and on one side of her ear. You can kind of see in the pictures. Brown nose, light eyelids and green eyes. Her coat gets tons of compliments because it feels like cotton! I never thought she was Chocolate and someone referred to her as Cafe au lait? We really don't care we love her whatever color she is. Her hair is usually kept longer, but she is growing out from her summer puppy cut.
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Thanks for your response about food. I read somewhere that they have to have about 25% Chocolate to be considered for that with light eyes...I personally don't know. I downloaded some pictures of her...she has a beautiful coat mostly white but throughout her back she has light apricot or light brown streaks and on one side of her ear. You can kind of see in the pictures. Brown nose, light eyelids and green eyes. Her coat gets tons of compliments because it feels like cotton! I never thought she was Chocolate and someone referred to her as Cafe au lait? We really don't care we love her whatever color she is. Her hair is usually kept longer, but she is growing out from her summer puppy cut.
Percentages don't have anything to do with it. People who breed chocolates often breed them back to normal (black) pigmented dos, just to keep the color dark and rich. Also, since there is no rule about coat color in Havanese, it really doesn't matter WHAT color their coats are, and good breeders spend a lot more time breeding for good temperament, health and structure than they do worrying about coat color.

To be eligible to show, Havanese can only have two different skin colors. Black and chocolate. Those with chocolate skin can have SLIGHTLY lighter eyes (black skinned dogs should have dark brown eyes) but even the chocolates shouldn't have light eyes. That said, a lot of chocolates DO show up with too-light skin color and too-light eyes. These may be perfectly wonderful pups in very other way but can't be shown and shouldn't be bred. That doesn't mean they aren't TERRIFIC pets!!! Your dog sounds like she's one of these. Incidentally, even black skinned Havanese often have some white nails. That means nothing by itself.


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Actually, I would as well think about a better nutrition for all of your dogs.

But first and above all, I would no longer use Angels' Eyes, because it contains an antibiotic named Tylosin which is actually not allowed to be used without prescription by a vet as it is normally not used for cats and dogs. In Great Britain it is illegal and in very short time it will be illegal throughout Europe. Tylosin has as well very many side effects, soft nails and yellowish colored nails can be one of those. It leads as well to increased values AST (Aspartat-Aminotransferase) and ALT (Alanin-Aminotransferase) (values that concern the liver which can result in yellowish coloring of nails and skin and so forth. Additionally, dogs can develop a resistance against antibiotics when Angels' eyes is used regularly or even on a daily basis.

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Actually, I would as well think about a better nutrition for all of your dogs.

But first and above all, I would no longer use Angels' Eyes, because it contains an antibiotic named Tylosin which is actually not allowed to be used without prescription by a vet as it is normally not used for cats and dogs. In Great Britain it is illegal and in very short time it will be illegal throughout Europe. Tylosin has as well very many side effects, soft nails and yellowish colored nails can be one of those. It leads as well to increased values AST (Aspartat-Aminotransferase) and ALT (Alanin-Aminotransferase) (values that concern the liver which can result in yellowish coloring of nails and skin and so forth. Additionally, dogs can develop a resistance against antibiotics when Angels' eyes is used regularly or even on a daily basis.
That is really good information you giving. I have never like the idea of using Angel eyes. It sounds like that could very well be the problem.My vet also recommended science diet . I've been told vets get kick backs from the reps or it has to do with there schooling. His big statement was the company has been in business for years and have more money for research. BTW I don't feed science diet.
She is beautiful is it Lacey?

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In Europe you can get now an Angels' Eyes Natural that is without Tylosin, all other ingredients are the same, but I do not know if you can buy that in the USA and I do not know anything about its effectiveness.

I decided not to do anything to remove tear stain except that I wash the eye area every morning with warm water. And since Hilda is on raw diet, she does not have any tear stains any longer. The raw diet changed a lot in Hilda's life. The fur is more healthy and shines really great, the teeth are strong and healthy, she poos only once a day which shows that she exploits a high percentage of her food, her endurance is great, she is more vivid.

I really reject industrialized food and above all food that is recommended and sold by vets, because first of all vets are no nutrition experts (they are NOT trained for this) and secondly they earn a lot of money by selling this food and therefore I question their objectivity and thirdly I have experienced almost little wonders where dogs which had bloody skins from itching while being fed industrialized food, recovered completely and lived up after they were put on raw diet. And if I did not want to feed raw - in Germany and I think in the US, too, there are a lot of alternative foods that are produced with ingredients that are suitable for human use, that are produced with the 70:20:10 relationships (meat, vegetable, oil/herbals) as recommended for raw feeding.

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