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Hello, I'm new to this forum. I found it while doing some research. This weekend we are getting two 10 week old male Havanese puppies. I know we are probably crazy getting two but I have twin girls that are now 17 years old and I'm ready for the challenge again.

My main question is about vaccinations. I recently lost my two year old Maltese to a horrible disease, IMHA. The disease attacks the dog's red blood cells and destroys her immune system. We tried everything but the disease was too strong. Lola caught the disease from vaccines given to her at almost two years of age. I swore I would never vaccinate another dog except for their puppy shots. I've done lots of research and it seems we as a society are vaccinating way too much and some dogs are dying as a result.

Does anyone on this forum not vaccinate. After what we went through with Lola and her being only two years old, I can't imagine going through it again. Any advice is welcomed. Thank you.
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Hello, I'm new to this forum. I found it while doing some research. This weekend we are getting two 10 week old male Havanese puppies. I know we are probably crazy getting two but I have twin girls that are now 17 years old and I'm ready for the challenge again.

My main question is about vaccinations. I recently lost my two year old Maltese to a horrible disease, IMHA. The disease attacks the dog's red blood cells and destroys her immune system. We tried everything but the disease was too strong. Lola caught the disease from vaccines given to her at almost two years of age. I swore I would never vaccinate another dog except for their puppy shots. I've done lots of research and it seems we as a society are vaccinating way too much and some dogs are dying as a result.

Does anyone on this forum not vaccinate. After what we went through with Lola and her being only two years old, I can't imagine going through it again. Any advice is welcomed. Thank you.
I am very sorry to hear about your dog. My first dog, a lab, died young and I think it was vaccine related also.

I followed Jean Dodds protocol with my hav. I have another lab too and I have given him limited vaccinations. He just turned 9 and he only gets rabies every three years, everything else is titers because I board him.

I have a hav puppy also. He had puppy shots. We did not do combos - the shots were separated and only parvo and distemper. He may have had one bordatella, which I think the breeder had to give him by law or something for the state certificate. I waited as long as I could to do the rabies. I would not have done it at all, except that it is breaking the law and the vet required it before we could neuter (since technically he would be boarding there). I spaced the rabies and neutering out also.

Your best bet is finding a holistic vet, or a conventional vet who listens. My conventional vet is really coming around and has been great.
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Welcome, twice the fun! It sounds like you are experienced at chasing two little ones, each running in a different direction. My guess is that you will do fine.

As for vaccinations, many people on the forum do not vaccinate their dogs regularly -- except for rabies, which is the law in many places. Instead, titers are run to determine whether there is a need for re-vaccinations. It requires a veterinarian who is willing to cooperate, but I know many forums who have not needed to revaccinate. I'm sure there is a thread on the forum about this somewhere. Just search for "vaccinations." As for me, I take it one vaccination at a time. I discuss each one with my vet (who has agreed to do titers) and some of them we just skip altogether.

Hav a wonderful time with the pups! What are their names? Where do you live? What is your name? It is a LAW that you must post pictures -- as many as possible!!!!

Ok. Now it's your turn to ask more questions.



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I am very sorry to hear about your dog. My first dog, a lab, died young and I think it was vaccine related also.

I followed Jean Dodds protocol with my hav. I have another lab too and I have given him limited vaccinations. He just turned 9 and he only gets rabies every three years, everything else is titers because I board him.

I have a hav puppy also. He had puppy shots. We did not do combos - the shots were separated and only parvo and distemper. He may have had one bordatella, which I think the breeder had to give him by law or something for the state certificate. I waited as long as I could to do the rabies. I would not have done it at all, except that it is breaking the law and the vet required it before we could neuter (since technically he would be boarding there). I spaced the rabies and neutering out also.

Your best bet is finding a holistic vet, or a conventional vet who listens. My conventional vet is really coming around and has been great.
That's exactly what I did with Julie. She had a reaction to the second puppy shot so I waited and had the vet do a titer. The titer showed she had the antibodies, so we didn't do the 3rd . The situation with vaccines is very worrying. Like your Maltese, these pups are small and it makes one wonder how much of this stuff their systems can tolerate. I'm so sorry you lost you Maltese. These hav pups will fill your house with joy. Can't wait to see pictures!


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I am very sorry to hear about your dog. My first dog, a lab, died young and I think it was vaccine related also.

I followed Jean Dodds protocol with my hav. I have another lab too and I have given him limited vaccinations. He just turned 9 and he only gets rabies every three years, everything else is titers because I board him.

I have a hav puppy also. He had puppy shots. We did not do combos - the shots were separated and only parvo and distemper. He may have had one bordatella, which I think the breeder had to give him by law or something for the state certificate. I waited as long as I could to do the rabies. I would not have done it at all, except that it is breaking the law and the vet required it before we could neuter (since technically he would be boarding there). I spaced the rabies and neutering out also.

Your best bet is finding a holistic vet, or a conventional vet who listens. My conventional vet is really coming around and has been great.
SJ1998 Thank you for the advise on Dr Dodds. From the brief search on internet it looks that he has a lot of info. I will definitely read his publications. As far as a holistic vet I'm in the process of looking but there are not many to choose from.

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Welcome, twice the fun! It sounds like you are experienced at chasing two little ones, each running in a different direction. My guess is that you will do fine.

As for vaccinations, many people on the forum do not vaccinate their dogs regularly -- except for rabies, which is the law in many places. Instead, titers are run to determine whether there is a need for re-vaccinations. It requires a veterinarian who is willing to cooperate, but I know many forums who have not needed to revaccinate. I'm sure there is a thread on the forum about this somewhere. Just search for "vaccinations." As for me, I take it one vaccination at a time. I discuss each one with my vet (who has agreed to do titers) and some of them we just skip altogether.

Hav a wonderful time with the pups! What are their names? Where do you live? What is your name? It is a LAW that you must post pictures -- as many as possible!!!!

Ok. Now it's your turn to ask more questions.
Beau's mom, I have heard that some of the titer test are not accurate as far as levels. What has been your experience with the different vaccines titers. Do any of you give your dogs any natural immune boosters? There are many out there but I'm afraid of scams.

We live just outside of Fort Lauderdale. My name is Alex. We have not chosen names for the pups yet. We wanted to have them home first and see their personalities. We bring them home tomorrow. We have seen them twice since they were two weeks old. Here they are at six weeks.
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Alex to the forum. Your new "kids" are adorable. So sorry to hear about your Maltese. How heartbreaking that most have been for you, losing such a young dog. Hope these new babies help ease the pain. Enjoy them.


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Link to Dr. Jean Dodds' Vaccination Protocol for Dogs:

http://drjeandoddspethealthresource....2#.UmH1mBDB8TA
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Just read Dr. Dodds' journal article which states dogs breeds of white or predominantly white coat color or with coat color dilution have an increased frequency of immune mediated hematological disease (i. e., AIHA, ITP, or both). Something to consider when deciding on your vaccine strategy.

http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/...edisposed.html

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