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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 02-12-2008, 07:36 PM
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Co-Own? What does it mean?

I am in contact with a local breeder and she still has 2 puppies left - they are 4 months old and the picks of the litter. She wants to show them, so they are for sale locally only.

I really didn't ask anymore questions (this was via email) she is charging a bit more than the original price of the pups as they have had there shots and more checkups (which is understandable).

So I guess for those of you in the forum... if she is trying to find a good home for he/she, yet I am paying for purchasing one of them, but she wants to show them...how does something like this work?

Pup is my dog right? On paper (akc)? She just borrows it? I presume that I can't get the puppy spayed/neutered is she wants to show them? Do I have to take it to upper/advanced obedience or would she come and pick it up and do that?

Never had to deal with something like this, just wondering if this is even a possible situation that we could work with.

Does anyone else do this? Pros? Cons?

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Co-ownerships can be complicated, my best advice is to make sure absolutely everything is in writing. Who is responsible for paying the show and handling fees, (if any). Who pays for all the health testing. Is this a person that you are comfortable dealing with? If the dog is bred who covers the stud fees, etc. Ask alot of questions

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I did a search for previous threads on this topic and came up with a lot of flags. CAUTION CAUTION keep popping into my head.

I guess, maybe that lifestyle isn't something we would want. We just want a companion. I don't know if I could see our dog leave for a couple days and then come back and then gone again.

I didn't even think about litters. We would get a girl. Maybe she would want the litter from her? Oh my....sounds like a lot of back and forth.

Plus she is charging more, I thought the price before was a lot.

Sounds like a neat idea to have her shown, which I wouldn't do, I don't have the time or really the drive.

Oh, still confused. I guess it is all in the fine print.
 
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I am sure some other members who are breeders could help you sort this out ..
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You may just want to ask her what it means but a lot of time, showing leads to puppies so that is something you really want to have completely written down before you bring the little cutie pie home!

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Posh was originally kept by the breeder as a show potential puppy.

We were contacted by the breeder to see if we might be interested in a co-ownership agreement with Posh. I had remembered Posh from my first encounter with the breeder at an open house, and I was THRILLED she was being offered to me and my family.

My husband and I packed up the kids to visit with the breeder and with Miss Posh. Of course, we all fell in love with her. Even though the breeder had eight week old puppies at the time, Posh was six months old, my son was adamant about Posh being the only choice.

We took home the co-ownership agreement/contract and totally went through all the pro's and con's. The biggest con to us, was that the breeder lived about an hour and half away from us, and we were to bring Posh the her house the Friday before a show, and the breeder would bring her back to us on a Sunday night. The breeder was nice enough to offer to meet us half way even. However, I just couldn't fathom that happening three times a week, it would mean at least four hours per weekend drive time and we decided we'd much prefer to spend time enjoying her than driving. Also, we were to pay for all shows, not to exceed thirty dollars, and after she obtained her championship we were to allow her to be bred and to have one litter for the breeder and our contract would at that time be fulfilled. We do not have a safe place in our house away from little hands for a dog to do any whelping, and we would be so sad to see our dog go for months at a time to have puppies.

We were honest with the breeder, told her we just absolutely loved her, but that we realized confirmation and co-ownership is not right for everyone and that we owed it to the breeder and the dog to be honest about that. If she were to decided ever that Posh was not perfect for the ring, we would take her in a "heartbeat."

Turns out Posh was/is on the small side, and her breeder, a very reputable one didn't feel one hundred percent comfortable with breeding her e.g. c-sections, etc...

Honesty really is the best policy. Be honest to yourself and your breeder. Your dog will find you.

Best of luck.
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We just want a companion.
Hi Kristy,

I think if this is your goal, you don't have much to gain from a co-ownership deal. There are a lot of negatives, including all the things that have been mentioned (travel, being without the dog, expense, etc.) in addition to the expectation that you will need to keep the dog in full coat until she is done showing....and who knows how long that will be. If you have not groomed a long-coated dog before, it can be very difficult to maintain the coat properly through their coat-blowing stages (roughly around 10 mos and 18 mos.) and they can end up as a matted mess.

I have just heard too many awful stories about co-ownership gone awry. What if she "decides" to keep your dog at her place for an extended period of time? Forever? You'd have to have all the details really spelled out in a written contract. I just don't see any advantages in it for you.

If you wanted to get involved in showing/breeding, then perhaps it would make more sense. But for a companion dog, I'd find one without any strings attached. Good luck!

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Yes, Thank you Jane.

I gave it a lot of thought last night and contacted her and told her that we wouldn't be interested in co-owning. It is not something beneficial for us.

Yes, we want a companion. I mentioned to her that if for some reason that she decides not to show her and starts looking for a pet home for her to contact us, as we may be interested at that time.

Thank you for your replies, We will wait for the right one to come along as a pet companion. It needs to be the right time for us and the right dog.

Hopefully, things will fall into place when we are ready.
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