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Update on puppy search

I'm finding it very frustrating looking for my female chocolate puppy. I have emailed and talked with many breeders. I'm finding it very interesting that I get very enthusiastic responses to my puppy inquiries until I ask about health testing- then NO MORE EMAILS from them!!!! I'm thinking there are alot of unethical chocolate breeders out there. I guess it's lucky I started looking early! There's a dog show coming up in my hometown this month- maybe there will be some breeders there to talk with. Any suggestions would be appreciated. thanks, Jocelyn

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I think it is harder to find a specific color hav as there is so much variety and breeders don't know exactly what they will get. I think going to shows is you best bet as the breeders can get to know you. I would venture to say that there are a lot of unethical breeders out there, not just chocolate. There are also a lot of very good breeders and hopefully they can help steer you to your perfect puppy.
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That's a really tough one. I know you are fairly close to me and there aren't a whole lot of breeders around us anyways, especially chocolates.

Unless you are willing to broaden your search to include other colors, you may be very limited and end up waiting a long time to get what you want. Like you, I did want a Cream Hav, but I wasn't completely commited to that...I did end up getting a cream, but I'd say that's probably more common than chocolate. I'm lucky that she's been so healthy and evaluated well, but now I think personality and temperment is probably the most important thing (after health!)..making a good match with you.

Maybe someone else knows of some breeders that health test and breed chocolates? Have you asked the HCA for a breeder referral?

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It might be quite hard to find a chocolate. Even if both parents carry the chocolate gene, does that mean all offspring will aswel?


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Kara, I do have the breeder referral list and you're right-not many breeders close to us. I have checked most of their websites( some don't have one), and did not contact any that did not have chocolates on their pages. They may get an occasional chocolate, but those may be far and few between. I was trying to narrow my search to those who were breeding chocolates on purpose since there are problems with the bite and pigment. I felt if I could find a really good breeder who was working on these issues, they would be the breeder I might want to use. Of course temperment, health and conformation are also very important to me- but I felt a good breeder would already be breeding for these traits. Ryan, since chocolate is a recessive gene,both must carry it. It doesn't necessarily mean that a chocolate bred to a chocolate will have all chocolate pups- but it does increase the chance you'll at least get some. I have talked with some very nice breeders, but many only very occasionally get chocolates in their litters. I guess I wanted to partly warn other people who might be looking for a chocolate puppy to please ask about health testing because many breeders who come up on the web when searching for chocolates don't seem to be testing. I have been conversing with a breeder this morning, though, that may be just what I've been searching for!!!!! Jocelyn
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I realize that you really want a chocolate Havanese, but by choosing a puppy by a rare color and having so few options, perhaps you are limiting yourself to a puppy whose temperment may not suit your home.

There is a breeder in South Carolina whose kennel name is Ahavapicaro, and she raises two breeds in her home, Havanese and Russian Bolonkas. I believe the Bolonkas are small and may be non-shedding as well, and they all appear to be chocolate in color. She is relatively close by you as well. Her name is Patricia, and she was previously a member of the Delaware Valley Havanese Club before she moved to SC last year. I spoke with her on a few occasions and she was a very sweet person. Here is a link to her site: http://ahavapicaro.homestead.com/ I also believe that her breeding bitches have CHIC numbers which you can verify on offa.org, so it appears that she performs the health testing recommended by the HCA.

I haven't researched the genetics behind Havanese color inheritance, but if chocolate phenotype is indeed a recessive trait, then as someone who studies genetics I would think it would be difficult for a breeder to produce predominantly chocolate puppies without extreme line breeding or inbreeding, and line breeding should only be undertaken by a very experienced breeder with a superb knowledge of the standard and current health testing best practices.
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I don't know anything about this breeder at all, but just found this online while looking at puppies...there's a cute female brown pup on the website that they are calling a chocolate (but it kinda looks like the nose is black...may be the lighting?). Anyway, thought you might want to take a look:

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thank you Kim and Kristen for your suggestions. I want a Havanese puppy ,not another breed, and if I need to compromise on color to find a puppy with the temperment and personality I want, then I'm willing to do that. After all- they're ALL ADORABLE!!!!! I guess the first one I saw was a chocolate and it's coloring was so unusual I fell in love. Since my first post I have talked with 3 very good chocolate breeders who do all the health testing and I would feel comfortable with one of their puppies. One in particular is my favorite so we'll see how it goes. Jocelyn
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Jocelyn, when you say Chocolate do you mean the hair or the nose/eyes?

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Good luck with your search. I know first hand it can be
a booger! In my very little experience with dog shows
I have yet to see a chocolate.
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