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FYI Interesting Read #1

An Undercover Weekeend--Long

Permission has been given to forward this, and I have to say that I
totally agree with everything said here, and more.

Betsy Cummings wrote:

Hi all,

I got in late last nite from Springfield, MO. What is there to interest me?
Well, the 18th Spring Educational Seminar and Meeting of the Missouri Pet
Breeders Association. Yeah, the puppy mill folks. They prefer Professional
Breeders. And after what I saw this weekend, I'm quite willing to cut them
some slack.

On Friday were 4 seminars, although one was cancelled because the State
Veterinarian had been bitten by a dog and the rabies vaxx was questionable,
so the poor guy has to take the shots and wasn't feeling well. So another
guy came and spoke on something else. On Saturday was Pat Hasting's Puppy
Puzzle Seminar - which was FREE. To anybody. How many have paid $150 or
more to a kennel club to see this seminar?

I'm now going to propose a viewpoint that I know full well isn't going to be
popular, nor is it going to win me friends. Many of you will scoff and
criticize. It's ingrained in "us" to do so. Say the words Puppy Mill, or
Commercial Breeder and most of us have a knee jerk reaction of total horror.
We picture "bubba's" on Walmart parking lots and highway corners selling
puppies to anybody who comes along. Not that that doesn't happen. However,
those folks tend to be wannabe's and illegal puppy mills. There were only a
few people there I'd call "Bubba's" this weekend. MOST of the people were
people just like you and me. You couldn't have told by dress or manner what
these folks did for a living. Most even spoke "educated beyond the 1st
grade" english. And it was obvious from the gal with the poodle died pink
to the gal who came in with a sheltie she'd rescued off an 8 lane highway
and wanted her put somewhere safe, that these folks live and breathe DOGS.
In that respect, they aren't that much different from you and me.

Friday's program included one that has me shaking my head and asking where
"we" ("we" being the show dog fancy) are. The MPBA has no less than 3
professional lobbyists. One in Washington DC, and 2 in our state capital.
Even more, the State Representative from Salem, MO is one of "them." These
4 folks stood before a room of about 300 people and gave us a list of the
legislation they've had a part in killing altogether, or getting changed to
something reasonable. My question is...where the hell are WE??? If the
MPBA can have THREE full time professional lobbyists... what's OUR problem???
My next question is...Why the HELL aren't we working with these people????
They know how to do it. They aren't starting from scratch. They've been
working in the trenches for quite awhile. And all supported by the puppy
millers! These folks are fighting for OUR rights as much as for their own,
but the end results are the same - I can still own dogs in the state of
Missouri, and they don't have to be spayed or neutered either.

Saturday's program was Pat Hasting's seminar. It was not quite as well
attended as some of the Friday seminars since it was a 'voluntary' program.
(I'll explain that in a minute.) However, the room was probably over half
full - call it 200 people give or take. She played the angle toward "If
you're breeding better dogs structurally, you make more money." It was a
good call. She went over 7 lab puppies - some were from show bred lines,
and some from a commercial kennel. She wouldn't say which were which. And
based on the strengths and faults she found I certainly couldn't tell. One
had an ewe neck which she demonstrated by flipping that puppy's head over
onto its spine - no distress to the puppy! One had no muscling on the
inside of it's legs so when she stacked it and pushed just a teensy bit from
the side the puppy fell over. 3 had slipped hocks. One had a herring gut.
The gasps when each of these faults were demonstrated were...quite loud. And
she flat out asked why they weren't breeding away from these faults - they'd
make more money providing a quality, well bred dog than ones with health and
structural issues. There were some good questions from the audience, and
some questions that are so basic as to be laughable... except nobody laughed.
These folks are putting forth good effort, and I for one am willing to give
them some credit for that. (And btw - Pat commented that each puppy was in
it's own crate and that when she does show litters they usually come in ONE
crate. And those crates were scrupulously clean, with food and water. *G*)

Having said this, I'll also state I'm not willing to sell to them, or breed
with them. But there are show folks I can say the same about, so that's
nothing different. These folks are however, policing themselves. They
don't tolerate sub-standard kennels and they turn them in immediately.
That's better than "we" can say when we tolerate folks we KNOW have starving
animals, or worse. And just who is it on most of the news when a rescue
makes the news? More often than not it's a "rescuer" or show breeder turned
in by a neighbor...NOT by US.

Anyway, these folks are working to improve their industry. For 18 years
they have continually raised the bar for their members. They provide
seminars on everything from puppy nutrition to health in their kennels to
structure - FREE. Not just for their members, but to ANYBODY. It was a
very strange feeling to be in a building full of people I have always
thought of as the "enemy." So much so I was very reluctant to admit I'm a
show breeder. But when I did once or twice, these folks never blinked. And
just who was there? The AKC. Bil-Jac. Eukanuba. Royal Canin. Hunte Corp
- who btw, had fully 1/5th of the room for their booth.

And let me detour on Hunte Corp a minute. They were handing out information
on their standards for buying puppies. IE, the breeders must meet some
minimum requirements before Hunte will purchase their dogs. On top of those
minimum requirements they pay a bonus for such things as health tested
parents, Ch parents, and something else that escapes me at the moment. So
they too are not only raising the bar, but leading the way in doing so.

APRI was there. With videos of their events. I always thought they were
just a paper registry. Well, they're not. And lemme tell ya, the shutzhund
and agility events looked pretty tuff. And not only that, but APRI alone
gave $10,000 to the legislative fund - IE, the fund that pays for the
lobbyists. Our little fledgling groups, PetPAC, etc would KILL for that
kind of money right now.

And in all of this, I have to wonder...where are we? What are WE doing? If
we choose to attend such a thing, it's voluntary. These folks are requiring
it of their members. You want to be considered a top breeder...then you
MUST have continuing education. Not when I feel like it, but MUST, every
year, have so many credits of education. Not even our JUDGES have to do
that beyond what they do to earn more breeds. We watched folks spend
THOUSANDS on equipment, food, meds, and by god TREATS. Just who gives
treats to their dogs? Those who LOVE them. That's who.

I had a conversation with a guy this weekend about his kennel. He proudly
told me he is a "Blue Ribbon Kennel" - meaning he's met the standards for
the MPBA to earn that. He gets his education credits, etc, and I assume,
has met some standards of health and cleanliness in his kennels. He said
he's *never* had an outbreak of anything in his kennel. Not even kennel
cough. His "bio standards" are set so high that even his family must follow
them in the house not just in the kennel. So I asked him what happens when
the dogs leave his kennel. Their immune systems have never been challenged
and suddenly they're out in the big bad world being hit with everything all
at once. He went, Oh. I never thought of that. Hm. He said "What do you
do?" And I had to admit I'm a show breeder, so I breed once every few years
and I do take extra precautions while the bitch is pregnant and when the
pups are less than 9 weeks old, but that after that I have those puppies out
and about every week or two so that not only do I immunize but I give their
immune systems exposure to things outside of home so that when we do go on
the road to shows and such they aren't suddenly overwhelmed and have a
chance to fight. I'm not sure I changed his mind exactly, but I did give
him something to think about.

continued in #2

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I admit, I went for the chance to see Pat Hasting's seminar for free. Beyond
that I was prepared to keep my mouth shut. Instead, I found myself Just how many of us would goto this level of effort to keep
our dogs? These people put their money where their mouth is. And I am
quite willing to allow them the title Professional Breeder and to stop
having a knee jerk reaction and give them some credit for things even "we"
don't do. That doesn't mean there aren't "Bubba's" in this world, or that I
include those folks in the term Professional Breeder. A professional of any
kind be it lawyer, doctor, handler, veterinarian, engineer, architect, etc
has professional standards to meet. These folks do too. And since *I*
don't care to provide puppies for every home that wants a dog I'm willing to
allow the professionals to do so. It keeps MY dogs safe in the hands of
those I feel will have respect for the dog, treat it the way I want my dogs
treated, and HOPEFULLY they never end up in a shelter or dumped on the side
of the road or as bait for a dog fight.

And I refuse to slam or denigrate these folks further. They are providing a
service not ONE of us wants to do. And they have been working for at least
the last 18 years to improve what they do - both in what they produce and
the conditions under which they produce it. That JQP tends to treat dogs as
a throw away commodity isn't entirely their fault. It's not ours either.
It's a societal thing and ALL of us must work to change that. Somewhere
between dogs in shelters and puppymills lies the answer. I don't know what
it is. But JQP wants dogs - that much is obvious. And right now, even our
basic rights to HAVE dogs is under attack. I for one am willing to work
with the folks who have the experience and the know how to fight these
things. And I'm willing to give credit where credit is due - here in
Missouri at least, we have come under LESS attack than other areas and I
recognize that a good part of that is because of the professional breeders
and their lobbyists efforts.


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Wow. What a challenging and thoughtfully-written review of her time amongst "the enemy" as some would call them.

Thank you for sharing this, Sandi.
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Sandi - I'm so glad you posted this - I saw it this morning too. I way really amazed when I read it and have changed my mind a bit. I think it is great that Pat Hastings was there and people listened. Also, don't you love that they require the education?

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Pat Hastings is fabulous! I love the angle she provided, because that is exactly what all of us should be striving to do.
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It is a good way to see them, I have seen the other side with the Amish area in Ohio/Pennsylvania. I think it is a very interesting alternative view. I still can't help to think they are on the same team though.

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