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FYI Interesting Read #2

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I admit, I went for the chance to see Pat Hasting's seminar for free. Beyond
that I was prepared to keep my mouth shut. Instead, I found myself Just how many of us would goto this level of effort to keep
our dogs? These people put their money where their mouth is. And I am
quite willing to allow them the title Professional Breeder and to stop
having a knee jerk reaction and give them some credit for things even "we"
don't do. That doesn't mean there aren't "Bubba's" in this world, or that I
include those folks in the term Professional Breeder. A professional of any
kind be it lawyer, doctor, handler, veterinarian, engineer, architect, etc
has professional standards to meet. These folks do too. And since *I*
don't care to provide puppies for every home that wants a dog I'm willing to
allow the professionals to do so. It keeps MY dogs safe in the hands of
those I feel will have respect for the dog, treat it the way I want my dogs
treated, and HOPEFULLY they never end up in a shelter or dumped on the side
of the road or as bait for a dog fight.

And I refuse to slam or denigrate these folks further. They are providing a
service not ONE of us wants to do. And they have been working for at least
the last 18 years to improve what they do - both in what they produce and
the conditions under which they produce it. That JQP tends to treat dogs as
a throw away commodity isn't entirely their fault. It's not ours either.
It's a societal thing and ALL of us must work to change that. Somewhere
between dogs in shelters and puppymills lies the answer. I don't know what
it is. But JQP wants dogs - that much is obvious. And right now, even our
basic rights to HAVE dogs is under attack. I for one am willing to work
with the folks who have the experience and the know how to fight these
things. And I'm willing to give credit where credit is due - here in
Missouri at least, we have come under LESS attack than other areas and I
recognize that a good part of that is because of the professional breeders
and their lobbyists efforts.


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I hate to say it, but I really don't see anything wrong with being a "professional" breeder. If you have the education, the money and the facilities (and the results) you should be able to call yourself a professional. Wouldn't it be cool if you could actually get a certification as a breeder? It might be fun to do a poll and see how many people would be willing to get certified. I know I for one sure would be. Probably would need to be endorsed by the individual breed clubs, but certainly an interesting thought.

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I'm glad that someone is seeing improvement, but I'm not so willing to jump on the bandwagon just yet.

I have looked through the email and keep missing it if it is there, but what is the JQP?
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I assume John Q. Public
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Thank you Anne. I don't think I've ever heard that term before (long or shortened).
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I applaud them for having educational standards, but a few things still bother me.

1) Even if all of the puppies are healthy and well fed, there is no way in heck that they can properly socialize all of those puppies. I have spent time in the homes of a few Hav breeders and I think I can say that the love, care, exposure to stimulus, new people, etc., are the pivotal reason why these Havs find forever homes so easily and are so rarely turned over to rescue or back to their breeder compared with dogs from other sources. Yes even some Havanese have issues, but a good breeder minimizes the risk so the transition to the new home will be smooth. I could be wrong, but I would highly doubt that most of these "professional breeders" have a lifetime buyback guarantee, and that coupled with the lack of socialization provided is a recipe for turnover to the pound by some unhappy family that can't get their puppy to fit in.

2) Although this is anecdotal, I have a number of friends who have bought puppies (against my advice) from pet stores or from "breeders" who just send them a puppy with no screening of the household or anything. Almost every single one of them has health problems, some of them very severe. If these "professional breeders" are doing such a good job improving the health of their stock, then why do these puppies display a conglomerate of health problems (not to mention that they usually look NOTHING like the "breed" they are supposed to be.

I understand that we should be happy that they are striving to police their own industry, but as for the parts about lobbyists, well, maybe that is because good AKC reputable breeders are lucky to break even, whereas these PBs treat it as a business and therefore profit from their endeavors and can afford to send lobbyists.

Just my 2 cents
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Great points, Kristin! Maybe with all the legislative pressures across the nation, the evolution will continue to progress for those that many of us have thought of with a bad taste in our mouths.

Anne, I just had to come back to this topic because I was placing an order with and they ask for your first name (e.g. "John Q.") and last name (e.g. "Public") and I had to laugh. I don't recall ever seeing or hearing that term before today and then I left here and ran across it immediately!
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