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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 03-10-2008, 11:51 PM Thread Starter
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Quick question please

Someone wrote me and said they have a chocolate puppy also. They said their's has started showing a roach back. What the heck is that? Does that mean the color is changing on the back line or a deformity I need to watch out for with Titan? Anyone ever hear of such a thing like this?

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I have heard of it before where the back curves upward. I have heard it has to do with color?

I was wrong on what i previously just wrote so i erased! Look at the last diagram that show the difference in GSDs. There are lots of diagrams on horses.
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A roached back is a back that has an upward curve in the spine. It is a structure terminology. Some breeds are supposed to have a roached back. Ours does not, but that doesn't stop it from happening.

If you want to see a picture, I found a page of some British Bulldogs that explains how they are supposed to have a roached back - see Fig 4. (I didn't look to see if this applies to the AKC standard for Bulldogs, so please don't think it means the same for them.)

Better yet, I just found an excellent page on German Shepherds that shows the correct and incorrect back. A roach back is incorrect for them too, but it explains what can cause it.
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Is there a breed other than the GSD? I hate their toplines anyway but I am having trouble finding any!

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Other than the GSD for what? They aren't supposed to be roached.

Just doing a quick search (when I'm supposed to be finishing up another project - ugh), but the only breed I can find is the Bulldog, and they don't even like the term roach. They prefer "wheelback" - LOL! Here's their standard.


The Italian Greyhound certainly looks roached, but they don't use the term. The standard with a picture.


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I was the one who wrote you about my chocolate. I am still doing some research on this roaching thing. I have never seen another dog doing this before. My Diva looks like a cat sometimes the way she holds her back, it has an arch on her top line. The defect would be something that would keep a Havanese from being shown or bred. I just don't know much about it. It does not mean your chocolate will do this. No one I know on this forum has mentioned this about their dog. I mentioned it to my breeder and she said that the line was cuban and sometimes it happens, that her brother does the same thing. I look at it as a bone deffect. I just hope it does not cause her any trouble or back trouble.

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Is it truely the spine or maybe just the way she is standing? I notice with my foster (cause he's in a short coat) that when he is nervous and his feet are more tucked under him his back looks more like that. When he is standing normally though it looks fine. It sounds to me that you have already figured it out but I was just wondering.
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I meant the GSD has such a funky topline anyway where there any dogs that they showed that wasn't suppose to have one and how it looks with it. I think I beat you to bed!

Oh the italian greyhound and now that I think of it my friend has a whippet that looks like a "scardy cat" pose.

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In talking with breeders while looking for my chocolate puppy one breeder told me there is a problem with toplines in chocolates. She did not elaborate and I didn't ask, but maybe the roach back is what she was referring to. How old is Diva and did it just start to show up? Wouldn't a roach type back be noticeable at an early age or is something that develops over time?

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A roach back can come with age if there might have been a spinal injury from all the jumping they do, it could be from a tipped pelvis or any number of things. Usually you can see it at 8 weeks old if it is going to develop but that is also not always correct. If you have the dog checked by a dog chiropractor they could actually tell you if it is spinal related or caused by another problem with your dog. Is the dog actually a show potential or did you buy as a pet. It is not really a health issue, it just means the center of the back is not as level as others. I had a 9 in. tall girl who could clear up to a 4 ft. fence and I noticed her topline was getting worse. I had an animal massage therapy person work on her and her topline came right back, that is why I am saying that once in a while the topline can go off for other than genitic reasons. If you puppy is a year old and the topline was fine before than I would check into alternative options.

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