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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 03-20-2008, 09:31 AM Thread Starter
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Hi All: (first of all I spelled Hygene wrong in the title how embarrassing) I feel strange asking this, because, I believe I keep my dogs clean and my house clean. But since Cash was sick and I came down with this weird rash that is being treated as "bartonella" or cat scratch fever as well as ring worm. I am wondering if I am keeping them clean enough. I mean they get a bath 1- 1 1/2 weeks, we wipe their paws if they are muddy but not if it is dry. Butts washed when necessary. We use the Frontline religiously. I brush them a couple of times a week so I believe I would see fleas. right?

so questions:

Would I know if they had fleas?

Do you shampoo rugs and floors more now that you have dogs?

What about couches and chairs?

do you wipe their feet "every" time they come in? or only when it's wet or muddy?

Do you use anything in addition to your monthy flea/tick prevention? (frontline, revolution etc)

I am just curious if I need to be doing more. Although not sure where I would find the time. (guess less time on the forum...OH NO NOT THAT)




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Hi Missy, I hope your rash is healing and that Cash is still feeling good! He gave us all quite a scare!!

It would be harder to see fleas on Cash since he's black. I have the same problem with Scout. But if I see a flea or flea dirt on Lincoln, I will apply Frontline to both of them. I only use it when I see evidence of a flea.

We don't wear outside shoes indoors, so I like to keep my boys' feet clean. If they go for a walk (which is not everyday), they get a full footbath (soap and water) when the come in. Their feet stay pretty clean when they go out to potty (just on the patio - no access to muddy areas/grass in the yard).

I don't shampoo rugs/clean chairs, etc. any more than I used to. We steam clean our FR carpet annually. I do vacuum more frequently now - about 2-3x a week. I have hardwoood floors in the rest of my house.

I am curious to see what other people are doing~

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thanks Jane, I am curious too what others do. What does flea dirt look like?




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Well, I dont' think ringworm necessarily comes from animals. I've gotten a ringworm occasionally my WHOLE life. There is this picture of me when I was about 6 years old and I was COVERED in ringworm, ever since..I'll occasionally get one or two. Usually in the Spring. I think some people are just more sensitive to fungal stuff than others. I also got a nasty fungal infection from the nail salon pedicure bed (I'll never get a pedicure again!) I do think ringworm is more common with cats that dogs. (That's what I've heard, so correct me if thats wrong!)

Fleas? Gucci hasnt' had those, but I do think that is one great benefit of having a white/cream dog. lol You can see every little spec, stick, dirt, etc.

I wash her feet every day, atleast once. Always at night before bed, because she sleeps in my bed and we have white sheets I dont know if you could see fleas on a black coat? Anyone? Maybe shine a flashlight? lol (lame advice, I know!) And she gets a full bath every week, but again...she's all over the bed and furniture and I have allergies, so I try to keep the allergens out of her coat. Especially pollen. She may get washed off more if the pollen gets crazy here...just so I can breathe!

I add garlic to some of Gucci's food. Supposedly, it helps repel fleas. I know all the "controversy" about Garlic, some people think its dangerous for dogs, but I do not feed her high levels of it, so I'm not worried about it hurting her, she likes garlic, actually. I'm not sure if it helps, but I like to think it does.

We also treat the yard for fleas!

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Well, I don't clean the floors/carpets more than I used to but I do vacuum more often. Both dogs get Frontline and Heartgard monthy, but I took a short break from the Frontline while the weather's been so cold. As soon as it warms again we'll start back with it though. Rufus gets bathed weekly or more often since he's blowing coat and it seems to help, Ayla gets baths less often, but her coat is short and doesn't pick up every little twig.
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Missy,
I would think that if Cash had fleas, Jasper would have fleas. They would be scratching. Fleas tend to like warm, moist spots so you would see them on Jasper's tummy since he's white. Fleas are tiny but you can see them on a white dog. Flea dirt has a reddish tinge to it. I never knew cat scratch fever was caused by fleas. Our cat, who is an indoor only cat, scratched the neighbor's Chihuahua a few years ago when we were dog sitting and the Chi got sick. She was obviously in pain from the scratch but a day or so later a lymph node in her neck swelled up and had to be lanced. The vet diagnosed her with cat scratch fever. My cat hasn't ever had fleas so ???
We don't do any extraordinary house cleaning. We get our carpets professionally cleaned about once a year (sometimes we miss a year....). I vacuum every week or a couple of times per week. I wash the dog beds and toys at least monthly. The dogs get bathed every couple of weeks. That's about it.

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Here is what I found-- flea or most likely tick-- I think also, though Cats have their own allergens that do give out reactions-- I think the thinking that they are hosts to this is new thinking and especially new thinking in dogs.

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BARTONELLA
Bartonella henselae, the agent of cat scratch disease, has been found in Ixodid ticks and as a co-infection in patients with Lyme Disease. Symptoms of Bartonella are almost impossible to distinguish from Lyme, but may include lymphadenopathy, splenomegaly, hepatomegaly, headache, encephalopathy, somnolence, flu-like malaise, weight loss, sore throat, osteolysis, osteomyelitis, bacillary angiomatosis, and a papular or angiomatous rash. In acute cases, there can be hemolysis with anemia, high fever, weakened immune response, jaundice, abnormal liver enzymes, and myalgias. Endocarditis and myocarditis have been reported. More severe infections are associated with immune deficiency and possibly occurrence of opportunistic infections. As in Lyme Disease and Babesiosis, Bartonella may be transmitted to the fetus in the infected pregnant patient.

Diagnostic tests include serology, blood and CSF PCR, and biopsy of skin lesions and lymph nodes.

In the co-infected Lyme patient, eradication may be difficult. Many antibiotic agents have been reported to be effective, including cephalosporins, fluoroquinolones, erythromycins, gentamicin, rifampin and streptomycin. In practice, these patients seem to do best with a combination regimen that utilizes agents that can penetrate cells. Typical combinations include an erythromycin, plus a fluoroquinolone or rifampin.

Treatment progress is most commonly assessed by PCR post treatment and serial titers.
I admit to being a little freaked out and perhaps a bit of a hyperchondriac on this one-- but these photos of the bartonella rash is what the inside of my elbow looks like..

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Interesting.

That rash really does look like scratches. It doesn't look like ringworm to me. The vet thought McKenna had ringworm once and her indication was a rounded, red, scaly patch. Turns out after a biopsy it was a reaction to her rabies shot.

I think the Chi may have been bitten instead of scratched and had a reaction to something in the cat's saliva. No fleas and ticks are not typically in our area (and definitely NOT in my HOUSE...yuck).

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Susan, I feel exactly the same way---YUCK. I have never seen a bug on either of my boys and we have your usual spiders in my house-- but I don't think I have seen fleas....YUCK again...I mean wouldn't you see them jumping? Some one suggested that maybe Cash picked up a flea at one of the emergency clinics and it bit me. Or I simply got bit while I was waiting there. Or it could just be I scratched my arm to pieces (but you think I would remember that...)

The ring worm if different it is a round patch-- and I know it doesn't nessesarilly come from the boys-- that I believe is just coincidence-- as could be the scratches on my arm-- just a little odd.

I am still curious of all you do to keep you and your babies clean and protected.




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Well the rash looks like what they call it-cat scratch. I have had Belle the longest and she had fleas once. We stayed at my in laws farm and they have tons of cats, horses, wild animals so I think that is where she probably got them. I didn't know until she had quite a few of them and she is white. I do give monthly revolution-both heart and flea medication in one but never an issue with anything else. I think it might also depend on the area you live in- geographically and if you have a lot of property with wild animals. Since moving to LA- we had the issue with ants so we treat the house/yard but other than that not really an issue. Maybe it could be from an animal in your yard?

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