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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-07-2008, 02:26 PM Thread Starter
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I think I knew Gryff and Alec's problem

Here's my theory: When we first got Gryff, Alec was afraid of dogs. He wanted one though, so we found a small breed that was good with children. I think from the very start, he was always very cautious and sort of awkward with Gryff and the dog seized his opportunity to be boss right away. Alec has gotten much better and he's no longer afraid of dogs, even really big ones. However, he is still a bit awkward around Gryff. He pulls on him when he walks him. He doesn't pay attention to what Gryff is doing while on the leash. He pets him strangely sometimes (i.e. he pats him on the head or hovers on him). He talks to him in a very high pitched voice that commands no authority.

The basis of my theory is this: When I was growing up we had two dogs, a shepherd mix (RIP Linda) and a Belgian sheepdog mix (RIP Brandy). My stepfather's father moved in with us and Brandy used to bark at him every single time he got up to walk across the room. It was the awkwardness of his gait that drove her crazy. I think it's the same thing with Gryff.

I will talk with Gryff's trainer on Wednesday to see if I can set up a home visit so they can work with Alec on his dog presentation.

What do you think?

By the way, the crate thing is working great. I do really miss having Gryff on the bed.

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Sounds like you hit the nail on the head Ivy. Two of my dogs hated the way a friend of mine moved and would always growl or bark at him, despite the fact they always enjoyed him. It was only when he moved and they were sleeping.


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Capote's that way with all kids. He's ok with them unless they move. I think it's something about them being smaller people and he's not used to them?? Once he knows they'll play he's all over them..until then he only barks and growls..but if you come near him he runs away.
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You could be onto something. My oldest son was scared of dogs. He used to be tense and hesitant when trying to pet Benji. Benji didn't growl, but he he'd whip his head around. Not exactly a snap but it freaked my son out. Now that Justin is more calm and confident things are much better.

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I would encourage you to get Alec more involved with training exercises with Gryff. He may have gotten off on the wrong foot initially and Gryff is leary of Alec . Get your son to do sits and downs etc. with treat rewards. He has to win the dogs respect and this is something kids can do quite easily with adult supervision.

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Many dogs are nervous around children since they are unpredictable. Do you think Gryff may have that problem?
I do think Gryff and Alec can establish a great relationship with your help (of course Alec should be the boss). Sounds like you're doing a great job -- keep supporting Alec and keep the updates coming. A+ on the crating! I crate my dogs by my bed at night, and, I won't lie to you, I often wish they slept in our bed. BUT, I know the crate is best in our situation.
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Gryff had obedience yesterday. The trainer thinks the problem is mostly the second stage fear thing. She doesn't think there is need for at home intervention. She wants Alec to continue bonding with Gryff through walking, feeding, playing, etc. She is sure Gryff will come around.

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I'm so happy to hear the good news, Ivy! I was going to PM you this morning to see how things were going. You're doing such a great job, I'm sure Alec & Gryff will get past this & Gryff will learn his place in the pack.

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Great news Ivy. Looking forward to hearing more positive results. I think we want them to happen faster than is realistic sometimes.


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Ivy,
Good news.
I'm sure you are relieved.

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