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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 03-13-2007, 07:14 AM Thread Starter
 
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Starting to get Frightened !

Wow! After reading Diane Klumb's book "The Havanese" and reading such statements as
1) one out os every 7 Havanese were reported to have ocular abnormalities
2) one out of 10 Havanese were reported to have either catatacts of any size or lens luxation
3)one out of every 42 Havanese were reported to have neurological disorders
4) etc. etc. etc.

...after having read the threads on health insurance etc. , I am beginning to wonder if the Havanese is a pretty unhealthy dog. I have had dogs for over 40 years and outside of their annual shots, can only recall less than a half dozen occasions when a trip to the vets was necessary. I really want a Havanese, but I don't want to have a dog which is so unhealthy that health insurance is a necessity. I wonder if getting an older Havanese instead of a puppy would help screen out unhealthy specimens.
All this reading and reseach has left me very apprehensive about health problems with Havanese and yet at the same time it has made me want one desperately because of their temperment and other wonderful qualities. I would appreciate your comments, hoping that you can help
me overcome my apprehension. One idea I had was to start a poll on the major health problems ( such as the potty trained poll) and see how many of you have had these problems with your Havanese....but alas, I don't know how to start such a poll.

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post #2 of 16 (permalink) Old 03-13-2007, 08:25 AM
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Hi David:

One thing to remember is the the Havanese breed has been "re-born" the number of dogs that have been used to re-establish the breed are very few. These breeders have been working with a very small gene pool. Most of the breeders are testing for everything to make sure the breed stays healthy. Because of the number of dogs tested, more health problems are reported. I think breeders are working very hard to keep these great little guys healthy. There are some really great breeders in Canada. Health & temperment is the most important thing. Without these you don't have a dog. Just my 2 cents

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That is why it is essential to get a dog from a reputable breeder that does all the health testing.

I completely agree with Debbie's statement.

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David, I think a poll is a great idea! Some people on here have older Havs so we could see what the health is for those, as well as for pups. I believe that when you start a 'new thread' you have a choice about making it a poll. Not sure though....

I was a little concerned about some health issues while doing my research too. I did my homework on getting a dog for 1 1/2 yrs., then on getting a Havanese for several months. I am confident that because I chose a breeder that health tests her dogs/pups and that I'm doing the best I can to make sure Ricky has a good, healthy lifestyle, that there will be few problems. I couldn't help but notice that many other 'toy' breeds have as many, if not more health concerns so I'm not worried.




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David,
I did alot of research on toy breeds in general before deciding on a havanese.I don't believe the havanese has any more health issues then any other toy breed.Because of over-breeding in fact in some such as the shih-tzu,and pom more health issues have surfaced.Of course you need to do what is right for you and your family,but I think you just read that and it scared you off a little bit.Because the Havanese is not such a widely known breed,and the book is quite forthright,it would be a dis-service to not publish all the problems,dating back from the originals out of Cuba.The most important thing,and I think no one can stress this enough,is to find a reputable breeder.Those breeders health test their dogs,and rule out a good portion of the issues you mentioned.Beware however,that you will pay a premium price for a well bred havanese puppy.In the past year I have seen alot of breeders pop up,without the health testing,trying to turn a quick buck on this "expensive"breed.They are all trying to cash in on the pups and unfortunately could be circulating un-healthy specimens of the breed.Also know in advance,there are no miniature Havanese.I am confident in my healthy guy,I checked and double checked the testing and the people themselves.I am not buying health insurance on Quincy.Nothing against insurance,I think for some it is a good idea,where vet bills sky-rocket,but here the vet will work with you and I feel comfortable going without.Remember David,you must find a good reputable breeder,WITH health testing.That is the key to a good quality,healthy Havanese.

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David,

I so gald you brought this up, I had my havanese puppy on order when I read this book. I wanted to cancel the puppy after reading this book.

I will probably be criticized for this but, I didn't care for the book at all, I don't like her spin on alot of the topics in the book.

I would recommend to you to do what I did and get another book on Havanese dogs and read it.

If you want a healthy dog, get a good breeder that health test the parent's of the puppy and come from a good line of healthy dogs. I think you will have a good chance of having a very healthy puppy that way.
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David - go to the Cerf website - you will see that what she is saying maybe true BUT - she is going by the testing and yes it is reported BUT the tresting on Havs will show mostly category D - iris to iris- this is NOT a problem - see link from CERF website....


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Hi
I had a german shorthair and he had a lot of health issues . This is a breed that is not too popular because of their independence and high energy .I think a lot of his issues were due to certain immunizations given far too early and also the breeder .
We could never find out much about him . He was a gift to my son . it was a very nice dog and we got through it all and he lived aa good life .
My friend has a female Havanese and she had to have surgery on both of her legs . She supposedly came from a reputable breeder who did all the right things and tests . Tulip is fine today - a sweet dog 6 years old a great companion dog .
One thing about getting an older dog is you do not have the puppy training and some other behaviour issues but you also have to retrain them to your home and lifestyle . There is a period of adjustment and they need extra TLC .
I think you should read the Havanese book by Dorothy Goodale - thank goodness it was the only book avaialble when I got Asta .It did not deter me .
Some of the books tell you more about elephants than you really want to know . Maybe better to skip certain chapters . I never read about breeding as I did not want to breed . Others have different motivation and need for certain information as they want to show and breed ..
Not one day was I sorry that I got this breed - Asta was an incredible dog .
I have my two new ones and they are wonderful as well . Different personalities for sure but they sure are cute and smart too ..
I agree it all depends on the breeder .
I went on line and I could not believe some of the stuff I saw . It just broke my heart . Breeders sacrificing their Havanese at discount prices because they decided to stick to breeding large dogs ..
Some are not breeding for the integrity of the breed but purely for monetary reasons
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It is good to be informed, so you can know how to avoid the problems. Granted, there are no guarantees in life, but you might as well work with a breeder who has done all they can to eliminate the possibilities of creating a dog with genetic problems.

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Some are not breeding for the integrity of the breed but purely for monetary reasons
Cosmosmom is so right! That is why I always encourage anyone who comes to me asking questions and steer them to only consider buying a puppy from a breeder who does ALL the health testing. You can verify the health testing online, and when you do that, you can also check the other relatives to see if they have been free of health issues. You wouldn't want to buy a puppy that has several instances of eye problems in their immediate family because chances would be higher for that puppy to develop eye problems as it gets older.

By the same token, I'd avoid any breeder that wasn't willing to do the four basic health tests (BAER, CERF, patella, OFA hips) on their dogs before breeding them. The four basic recommended tests by the HCA should be a MINIMUM amount of testing done prior to breeding.

The Havanese don't have any more or less health problems than the other breeds, but by being aware of them, you can make informed decisions.

Also, in regard to the potty training, all toy breeds take longer to potty train.
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Thank you all for some very good advice. It seems to boil down to three things; good breeding, health testing, and the luck of the draw...with good breeding being the main point.

David PS...for fun I will try to post a health poll
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