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Finally found something wrong.

Okay ladies, I need advice. Cicero has just seemed perfect. Only whinned the first night in his crate for about 5 minutes. Potty training has gone great. I conditioned him to noise from day one so he is not afraid of books dropped, broom falling over, nothing. I almost wear a brush around my neck so he will sleep while I brush, file nails, use clippers, do anything to him. Loves his bath. Will sit, down, stay, high 5, roll over (inside) and RLH outside I have said many times he is perfect. Then a friend brought over a large dog a couple of weeks ago and we carried them outside in the fenced yard -- and the big dog rolled Cicero around a few times and he camped out between my feet the rest of the time. This weekend some different friends brought their two larger dogs to visit and Cicero screamed like he was on fire at the site of them. They wanted to play and ran around him but never touched him -- and he was screaming like they had taken a leg off. He was glued to me and I had to hold him the entire time..heart beating fast. He has always loved to run and play with his friends until he got rolled like a ball. Now any suggestions on how to fix this one problem???


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Dale, I think you should keep exposing Cicero to big, friendly and CALM dogs until he gets used to them again. Ask you friend to have her dogs lay down so Cicero can sniff or simply relax with them near him. Step by step he should get better. Most importantly: don't baby him, when he's scared and comes hiding between your legs. Tell him 'go play' or simply nothing. Of course you always need to keep an eye on how he interacts/plays with other dogs, big or small. He'll come around.

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Wow - that sounds like such a major reaction. My guys would cower and hide, but not scream! You are sure nothing happened with your backs turned? I think the only way to get him over this, is expose him more and more. Poor Baby!!

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I'm an inexperienced dog owner since Roxie is my first dog but... I was letting her play rough with a big dog (but gentle dog) and she loved it. They RLH, rolled, jumped and generally acted nuts together. They played together many times over a few weeks and then one day she broke her leg rolling with him. And while the vet did say it was probably just an "unlucky break" (pardon the pun) I think I'll be a bit more cautious once she is out of her cast (not only because of the pain and annoyance Roxie and I have had, but the 100's of dollars I have spent on it so far!!) Maybe you can find a friend with a really mellow larger dog to play with till Cicero is older to help him get used to larger dogs.

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Aww - poor Cicereo sounds like he got spooked. I would probably start him with small dogs again, have happy play experiences and then perhaps see if you can find a training class that the instructor will let you visit the "almost" graduates to reintroduce him to big dogs. The advice about finding a gentle larger dog is good and not babying him too.


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Very interesting, I have the same, plus a worse problem. Smarty started OB school at 12 weeks, loved everyone. She has been in continuing classes or showing her entire life and has always been in love with the other dogs. Now things have changed.

Her best friend is my DSís Standard Poodle rolling around all. We kept my DD small terrier mix through Christmas that was rather mean to her and now at 12to 14 months at agility classes, she goes on the aggressive when she comes in contact with other dogs. She acts like she wants to kill them, once she gets there and smells them all is well. But she is going to do this to the wrong dog. I have been extremely stern with this behavior. A larger dog would be call vicious if they acted like this.

Her actions are really strange, she never ever does it at the pet stores. Never at the vet, but at her 2 agility and Rally classes, she is unpredictable. the 3 instructors have different ideas on the reasoning and correction. One instructor thinks it is hormonal, another thinks she has been hurt and wants to put the other dogs on alert that she is tough stuff. I am at a loss, other than to let her know these actions are totally unacceptable.

Good luck, I hope some one has an answer.

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Lots of socialization! Leslie told me something she did that I thought was a great idea to start out with. Walking our little dogs along the fence of the big dog park (okay ignore the video I shared of Dasher cause he is a little too cocky!) but I think that is a good idea to help in a controlled atmosphere. If you have friends with very well trained big dogs I would highly suggest that. Dora has no fear of big dogs cause she was in puppy class with Bernese that quickly out grew her. To this day when she sees one, she thinks they are all the same dogs!

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Is "cockiness" a hav trait? My Roxie thinks she is all that and a bit more!

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Brady has the "cockiness" gene too. I have problems with strange dogs as well. He loved all dogs for a long time and then something changed. I don't know what the trigger was, but if he is on a leash and sees a big dog, he acts like he wants to eat it! I took him back to training and I got mixed reactions from the trainers as to what his problem is. Some say it is fear, but I am not sure if that is it. He loves all his big dog friends and is fine when he is off leash at a dog park, but he is a nightmare in petstores or at the vet. I have tried corrections, etc and nothing has worked so far.


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Dale, I think you should keep exposing Cicero to big, friendly and CALM dogs until he gets used to them again. Ask you friend to have her dogs lay down so Cicero can sniff or simply relax with them near him. Step by step he should get better. Most importantly: don't baby him, when he's scared and comes hiding between your legs. Tell him 'go play' or simply nothing. Of course you always need to keep an eye on how he interacts/plays with other dogs, big or small. He'll come around.
good advice MaryAm

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