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Though I'd never heard of Bil-Jac . . .

Bailey's been on it since he came home. Not only does he really seem to like it, the other dogs fight him for his food. Since they've stopped enjoying the Fromm's and their food can sit in the bowls all day long, I decided to try one bag of the Reduced Fat adult version for them.

OMG, they inhale the food. It's not there for more than three minutes (if that). They all love it. Now my question, I know a few people here mentioned it's not that great. Does anyone know whether they've had any real issues with the food? Has it ever been recalled? Have any dogs gotten sick on it? I certainly don't want to hurt them but it's a pleasure to see them eat and look for more.

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My guys are on it, because it's the best of what I can find close by. Other then the Science Diet that my vet pushes on me.
I've been wanting to switch them over, but been totally stressed about changing food.

My sister's dogs have been on it for yrs, and she's never said a bad thing about it.

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Geri, The owner of my pet store (who sell all sorts of high end food) feeds bil jac to her dogs. she free feeds them the kibble and they get what ever the family gets for dinner. The ingredients look OK to me-- I know the concern to many is corn (from my research corn has gotten a bad rap-- not to be confused with corn gluten) as the number 2 ingredient and the preservative BHA. But when ever I stress about what my boys eat (royal canin is the only kibble they will touch consistently) I remind myself that Lassie and Rin Tin Tin lived 9 lives on Alpo and Puppy Chow.

I think dogs love bill jack because of the Cane Molasses that makes it sweet.

http://www.bil-jac.com/

Chicken By-Products (Organs only, Including Chicken Liver), Corn, Chicken, Dried Beet Pulp, Brewers Dried Yeast, Cane Molasses, Egg Product, Salt, Sodium Propionate (a preservative), DL-Methionine, L-Lysine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Niacin, Biotin, Choline Chloride, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin B12 Supplement, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Manganous Oxide, Inositol, BHA (a preservative), Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Cobalt Carbonate, Potassium Iodine, Sodium Selenite.




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Geri, I don't know how good it is (I've seen the same posts), but I've had my Coton, Truffles on the reduced fat version for about a year. He is 15 and a half years old and does not have many teeth. It is the only food I've found that he can tolerate- he used to throw everything else up. I've been mixing it with Evangers canned duck and sweet potato lately and he INHALES it-his head never comes up from the bowl and he is a VERY finicky eater. When I talked to the Bil-jac rep at Petsmart one day they showed me how the food disintegrates rather than a lot of kibble expands when water is added. I don't add water to the food, but when they drink water after eating many kibbles expand and we think that's why Truffles would throw it all up. So I don't think the food can be too bad- look at Truffles age!!!! Jocelyn

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This might be helpful as to what is in the food. Bil-Jac has been around for at least 30 years.

Meat By-products: Meat by-products are clean parts of slaughtered animals, not including meat. These include lungs, spleen, kidneys, brain, liver, blood, bone, and stomach and intestines freed of their contents. It does not include hair, horns, teeth, or hooves.

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Here's the review of it in Dog Food Analysis... doesn't sound too good and it was given 1-star, which is the lowest.

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Pros: Third ingredient is a named meat product.
Cons: Extensive use of by-products, low quality grains and other controversial ingredients. Uses preservative believed to be carcinogenic.

The first ingredient in this food is by-products. Whilst we appreciate that the manufacturer states this comes from organ meat only, it is impossible to ascertain the quality of by-products and these are usually products that are of such low quality as to be rejected for use in the human food chain, or else are those parts that have so little value that they cannot be used elsewhere in either the human or pet food industries. We recommend avoiding any pet food using such ingredients. The AAFCO definition of chicken by-products is “consists of the ground, rendered, clean parts of the carcass of slaughtered chicken, such as necks, feet, undeveloped eggs and intestines, exclusive of feathers, except in such amounts as might occur unavoidable in good processing practice.”

The main grain in the food is corn. Corn is difficult for dogs to digest and thought to be the cause of a great many allergy and yeast infection problems. We appreciate the use of chicken as the third ingredient, but note that it is chicken inclusive of water content (about 80%). Once the water is removed, it is likely that there is actually substantially less “chicken” in the food. The same applies to chicken liver (5th ingredient).


Beet pulp is another controversial ingredient – it is a by-product, being dried residue from sugar beets which has been cleaned and extracted in the process of manufacturing sugar. It is a controversial ingredient in dog food, claimed by some manufacturers to be a good source of fibre, and derided by others as an ingredient added to slow down the transition of rancid animal fats and causing stress to kidney and liver in the process. We note that beet pulp is an ingredient that commonly causes problems for dogs, including allergies and ear infections, and prefer not to see it used in dog food. There are less controversial products around if additional fibre is required.


Cane molasses adds unnecessary sugar to the food, and is likely to contribute to yeast infections in dogs prone to those. We appreciate the use of eggs in the food.


BHA is a chemical preservative believed to be carcinogenic.
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Geri, I really think we stress too much about food. My other dogs lived on Purina kibble and Mighty Dog canned. One was 17 and the other was 16 when they went to the Rainbow Bridge. They were never, ever sick and the only time they were at the vet was for a well check up once a year.

Some people can live on fast food and be healthy, and others have to watch every morsel they eat. I think it is the same with dogs. As long as they are eating and healthy, stop stressing.


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The only negative that I've heard about Bil Jac is that it is a softer food, so it leaves more plaque on the dogs' teeth. With that in mind, if you clean the teeth yourself, you can stay ahead of the game or just plan to take them in for regular teeth cleaning.

Other than that, I haven't known anyone to have problems from feeding it to their dogs.
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I bought the tooth cleaning stuff so I'm not concerned about that. I'll also get the Merrick flossies (?). I love that they all can't wait to eat their food. They hear the bag open and stand near the bowls. It's been a long while since they got excited about their food.

I want them to be happy and since there haven't been any really negative effects, I'll keep them on it and see what happens. As a "parent" it's a joy to see them loving their food. I know it makes me happy when I enjoy a meal (hahaha, and it shows). So for now I'll stick with it.

Thanks so much everyone. I feel better about it now.

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Geri, I've also heard that they use a higher quality corn so that it isn't so bad for them. And heck, if a spoonful of sweetness makes the food more appealing, oh well - just make sure they don't find your cookie stash!


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