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Choosing a Puppy ?

Thanks to all the wonderful advice I've gotten here, I'm feeling a whole lot better about my ability to do the puppy training thing again, and I'm trying to decide on an individual pup. I may have missed my chance with one I originally looked at over a month ago, and I am starting to look around at other local breeders. I pretty much know what I'm supposed to ask in terms of health testing, etc., and a few are quite a drive from my home - one in particular has a 3 week old black female, and also a litter that was just born today with sables, black and white "trimmed" (what's that?), sable partis, b & w partis. They will be in the 11-15 lb. range, which is nice.

While some Hav "colors" appeal to me more than others, my main concern is getting a healthy dog that has the personality and temperament I want - I'd like a female who's affectionate and sociable (and I know a big part of that is early socialization by both the breeder and myself), but also independent enough to amuse herself and not be overly clingy. If I reserve a dog with a deposit when they are very young or just born, how will I know if I can get the right dog when they are ready to go home? At what age does their personality and temperament start coming out to where either the breeder could judge what might be a good match for me, or where I could make the drive and meet the dogs in person to try to make a selection? Ideally I'd find one that's already at the age to go home, but it may not work out like at.

Just trying to figure out how to choose a dog when it's not close to home and they go so fast you have to put your money down when they're barely just born.
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Is this breeder asking for money down on a specific pup before she/he can even deterime temperament and structure? That doesn't seem right to me. I can understand asking for a deposit on a puppy, while not a specific puppy, but I still don't like deposits taken so young.

So, what if you don't like the puppy's personality when it is older or what if it develops a bad cross-bite or has a bad patella or is deaf? Is the deposit fully refundable?
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Hi Kimberly, saw the pics of your pups - adorable! I don't think it's for a specific puppy, more like first deposit gets first choice, etc., but then what if there are 8 pups and you are the 7th or 8th person to leave a deposit... ? Do most breeders not take deposits before the puppies are a certain age?

I met some 3 month old puppies a few weeks ago from a breeder I wasn't 100% comfortable with on a personal level. They might have been perfectly healthy dogs, but I wondered about whether they were really getting properly socialized or litter trained, and even though I was near ready to take one, I was kind of deadlocked between 2 littermates and something stopped me. My mom had just had a health emergency (she's fine now), and I got really busy with a new client, so between that and just having a funny feeling about it, I didn't pursue it. It's possible that in dragging my feet, I've missed a few good opportunities, and since there are not may good breeders nearby, I might have to do this sight-unseen puppy deposit thing and wait till later in the Summer to bring one home (want her now!! LOL!. I should think it would be refundable if the puppy I select or is selected for me has a health issue.

I was really hoping to do this soon, since summer is generally my slower season and living in a colder climate, I'd like to get the first few months of potty training underway while we still have warm weather and no snow and cold rain, but I don't want to choose the wrong dog just because I'm a hurry.
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ok, I know that this breeder isn't anywhere near you, but the site is a wealth of information and I love how they address the puppies developing temperament on a weekly basis...read through this, I think this kind of breeder attitude is what you need to look for!!

http://myladhavanese.com/puppies.asp
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Congrats on deciding on a puppy. I would pick a breeder that you are comfortable with - you'll have a long term relationship with them. You're already looking for one that does health testing and know to find one that temperament tests. If you google "Vollard Puppy Temperament" you can do some reading about it and I believe that we've got a few threads on here. I'm not a big believer in deposits until the pups are a bit older - but always fill out an application so you get on the breeders consideration list. It's a good time to be looking for a puppy so as long as you can be patient, you'll be successful.


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I don't think it's for a specific puppy, more like first deposit gets first choice, etc., but then what if there are 8 pups and you are the 7th or 8th person to leave a deposit... ?
I have seen breeders do this and yes they just go down the line in order and if you are the last one on the list you usually have the choice to either take that puppy or wait for the next litter. Not something I believe in, but I see it a lot.

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Do most breeders not take deposits before the puppies are a certain age?
I can't speak for everyone, but myself NO I do not take deposits until I know that the puppies have past their beginning health testing with me and when I am sure that any of the puppies are ready to go to their new homes, meaning that they are all eating good and gaining weight like they should be etc.
So on a norm I don't take deposits until the puppies are actually ready to leave my home.


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met some 3 month old puppies a few weeks ago from a breeder I wasn't 100% comfortable with on a personal level. They might have been perfectly healthy dogs, but I wondered about whether they were really getting properly socialized or litter trained, and even though I was near ready to take one, I was kind of deadlocked between 2 littermates and something stopped me.
Why do you feel that the puppies were not being properly socialized?
One thing I do know is to listen to your inner self, as there is probably a reason for those feelings.

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It's possible that in dragging my feet, I've missed a few good opportunities, and since there are not may good breeders nearby, I might have to do this sight-unseen puppy deposit thing and wait till later in the Summer to bring one home (want her now!! LOL!. I should think it would be refundable if the puppy I select or is selected for me has a health issue.
Maybe, maybe not, but just remember that a good breeder can usually in just talking with you and getting to know you even over the phone, should be able to help you pick out the right puppy by everything that they learn about you and your family's life style.
I know myself I have had several people you were stuck on a particular puppy because of the way it looked or something of that sort, and in my talking with them I really felt that a different puppy would be more of what they were looking for. So when they came and met the puppies they realized that the puppy that they first fell in love with was not the match for them, but rather the other one was.
If a breeder is just trying to get you to take a puppy and telling you it will come around, then I would go find another breeder.


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I was really hoping to do this soon, since summer is generally my slower season and living in a colder climate, I'd like to get the first few months of potty training underway while we still have warm weather and no snow and cold rain, but I don't want to choose the wrong dog just because I'm a hurry.
Yes don't get in a hurry as there are many puppies out there and it is best if you are able to find the right breeder and puppy for you. One thing I want to ad is most good breeders will have their puppies doing well at house training as well as they would have some crate training done as well.

I hope this helps some and I hope you find your new bundle joy soon Good luck with your puppy search.



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thanks so much for the replies and suggestions!

Cache - awww, I wish I lived closer, Zany is adorable, and I love her coloring. The dogs I suspected were not being properly socialized, I could have been wrong, just a feeling I got based on the breeder's own health, her setup, a couple things she mentioned, and the fact that there were several litters. It wasn't a big breeding kennel or anything, and the puppies from one litter, anyway, seemed quite excited to meet me, but the other litter was almost aloof, and one even ran away, didn't want to be picked up. I never saw the boys, I was only looking at females. I did see the moms and they were very sweet, the puppies personalities were pretty much like their respective mothers. There were 2 I did like, but she wasn't giving me any suggestions or feedback on their personalities and temperament based on what I was looking for, like she didn't seem particularly interested in matching me with the right dog and I felt a bit on my own with that difficult choice. I may have misjudged the whole thing and passed up my perfect little companion as a result, I just don't know, but I had a lot of stressful stuff going on when I was trying to choose and I think that got in the way, also. The timing was just not great.

I will check out those temperament tests, thank you.

I'm waiting to her back from one other local breeder and a friend of hers who is also a breeder, apparently all the puppies are at one location, and they have both been breeding and showing Havs for 20-30 years, but it sounds like she doesn't do all the recommended health tests on ALL the dogs, since she says she knows her bloodlines very well and doesn't need to, only breeds for show quality but will sell on a pet contract. I know I should be worried about that, but she has a really good reputation from what I've been able to find, so maybe she knows what she's talking about. She says none of her dogs have ever shown up with these issues because of careful breeding over the years. Like the grandparents of the pup I would get would have been tested, but not the direct parents. Something like that.

Lots to think about. And I feel very weird posting this in a public forum because while I haven't mentioned any names, I hope none of the breeders I've talked to would be weirded out that I'm discussing them here. I'm just trying to make the right decision!
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I also say wait until it feels absolutely perfect! I did and it has highly paid off. Also it isn't just the puppy you are getting, it is the breeder. That part can highly pay off (like in my newest addition <BG>). If you don't feel comfy asking what socialization is happening, training, imagine if there is ever a health scare, etc. I say go with your gut

Also read about puppy temperment testing and that way when you visit, you can see how the dog reacts for yourself. It is also great to see how the parents react if they are there.

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By the way, it is the Volhard (one "l") Puppy Aptitude Test and should be done when the pups are 7 weeks old. Due to the nature of a couple of the tests in it, it shouldn't be done when the puppies are 8-10 weeks old and in their first fear period. Earlier than 7 weeks old is too young to get any real results.
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