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Thumbs up mounting PLUS moving!!

Yesterday we took dusty to a relative, they have a larger dog and they seem tohave lots of fun but my lil dusty started to rub on the other dog and certainly moving in a very sexual way. I thought this will not happen if neuter?
How do i stop this? I read some of the previous treads, but this seem to be more than domination.
wonder how other hav are doing with this
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PS I do not want to jinx it but i believe he is really on the road to be pad trained, but also will do outside if on a walk. I am thrilled!!
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According to Jean Donaldson ...Mounting is about sex. Just what it seems like. Not dominance. It is one of the four F's .... Flight Fight Feeding and Reproduction. These are what are called FAP's Fixed action patterns which basically are pre-installed behaviours. And no fixing does not eliminate these . She recommends that if you are bothered by it give your dog a time out. If you think that you might allow it conduct a consent test. If you suspect the other dog is not consenting pull her off for a moment. Does the mountee try to get away? Or does he hang around and solicit play. Then he is consenting. Both owners must also consent If everyone passes the consent test the dogs can proceed. Jean Donaldson (Oh Behave! Dogs from Pavlov to Preack to Pinker.

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According to Jean Donaldson ...Mounting is about sex. Just what it seems like. Not dominance. It is one of the four F's .... Flight Fight Feeding and Reproduction. These are what are called FAP's Fixed action patterns which basically are pre-installed behaviours. And no fixing does not eliminate these . She recommends that if you are bothered by it give your dog a time out. If you think that you might allow it conduct a consent test. If you suspect the other dog is not consenting pull her off for a moment. Does the mountee try to get away? Or does he hang around and solicit play. Then he is consenting. Both owners must also consent If everyone passes the consent test the dogs can proceed. Jean Donaldson (Oh Behave! Dogs from Pavlov to Preack to Pinker.
What about female dogs who mount? My 4 month old, unspayed female mounts her bed, my son, and others occaissionally... most often when over excited play has gone on.

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Ann, as soon as one of my females is coming into heat, she begins mounting too. Jean Donaldson is a behaviorist and definitely a canine authority. Watching what my girls do when they are coming into season and reading that from Dave, I have to believe it is definitely sexual.

Maria, you should stop any behaviors that you don't want to see repeated. Remove the dog from the situation and teach him to not do that.
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yes Ann our Molly mounts and thrusts her (or should I say my ) duck slipper. It is a form of play or rehearsal . Lots of female animals mount . Never see cows in the field? I think it is amusing. Alot of people are embarrassed by it.

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Well.... my house full of human boys think our little girl dog mounting is hilarious!!! But, since I thought it was her expressing dominant behaviors, I haven't seen the humor... she is definately an alpha girl... and have been wondering what to do about it. I've been telling her no and redirecting her when it's with people (since, yes, it does embarass many people) and that's seemed pretty successful. But I've not been able to keep her from loving up her bed! Maybe I don't need to.

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I was told the mounting is dominance. On the off chance that this is the reason, it was suggested I use a scent on both dogs (or the duck slipper!). My male did not like another dog trying to mount him although I did see him attempt to mount that dog at a later date. Food was a good distraction for both dogs!
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Everything I read said mounting can be sexual or dominance. It depends. When Bogie and Brando are rough playing, Brando will at times to try to mount Bogart. As soon as he does I tell him a firm no and he stops it right away.
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My 11 week old puppy tried to hump Tessa once. I doubt that is sexual. She had something he wanted at the moment.

Both my breeder and my trainer (who has done animal training for 22 years) said to never allow it as you don't want a puppy to get the idea that humping is acceptable behavior or it can transfer to humans later.

My female has never humped.
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My Miss Paige will mount her brother if he is getting too much attention from either me or my husband-she is spayed & Rom is neutered-so with them it's a dominance thing-Rom does not even try to mount the Princess-I guess he wants to live to see another day & figures if he messes with her there would be trouble-not from me as much as from her. She is the total Alpha Female and he seems to understand you don't mess with the Queen.

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