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Question New puppy - wrong sex shipped

Hi everyone:

I'm new here, and really love this forum. We have a 3-year old chocolate-cream Havanese who is AMAZING - the sweetest most lovable dog in the world. We just got a new puppy from the same breeder on Friday. We were supposed to get another male, but what was shipped was a female. The veterinarian even supposedly checked the pup out two days before and certified "male". How could a breeder, much less the veterinarian - not know what a male looks like? They have testicles!!!

Here is my pickle: my three kids have been with the new pup since Friday night. She is adorable and sweet. My 12-year old son cried in the vet's office when she let us know this was a female. He later said he liked her and didn't want to send her back. But I think he still has mixed feelings about it all. I told him we have to do something quickly if we're going to switch. My two girls are already attached as well to this pup.

What would you all do? I did tell my son that even if we get another male there is no guarantee we will like him more than we like this one. Has anyone ever had a mix-up like this before? I am still amazed that between the breeder and the vet they did not know the difference, unless the breeder just had too many pups shipping out and couldn't keep them straight. We did get the one that was posted on her website as male.

If anyone has thoughts I would really appreciate them. I want my son to be happy, but I can't get him to tell me his true feelings. This will be out 2nd and last dog for a lot of years, so I'd like for everyone to be happy.

Thank you for listening!!!


p.s. Even if we keep the female, do you think it's reasonable to ask the breeder to pay the difference between the cost of neutering versus spaying?
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It seems like the least the breeder could do to pay for the cost difference of neutering and spaying. Maybe the breeder shipped two dogs at once and they went to the wrong homes? Did you see pictures of them before you chose?

We wanted a male but when the litter was born, there were only females. We decided on a female then and are very happy we did.
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Julia, welcome to the forum! Wow, I'm a little amazed too...have you contacted your Breeder? As for the spay/neuter difference, I think it costs the same at our Vet, not sure though. But I would definitely contact the Breeder.

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Um. What kind of "breeder" are you working with? I hope not only does she/he know what puppy is going to whom but that besides sexing her dogs she/he is doing health tests and being absolutely responsible about the care and placement of her dogs.

I guess if your last dog from this breeder has had no health problems, behavior problems, etc...those are good signs.

Ultimately you want a good match for your family.
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Hi there!
So, what did your breeder say about the mixup with the sex of the dog? Did they acknowlegde it as their fault?


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I read a note on the Havanese Yahoo list about a breeder who shipped puppies and the airline lost them. I wonder if yours was one of them and the shipping labels got messed up. What did the breeder say when you contacted him/her?


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Thanks Nancy

Thank for the feedback Nancy - happy to know you like your female. We were shipped the puppy whose picture we chose - she just didn't know she was female I guess??? Weird if you ask me.

I had heard that the females are more independent and cat-like? (retreating when visitors come?), and our male is so needy it isn't funny. He is ALWAYS in my lap gazing into my eyes - and I love that, but it might be nice to have something different this time.

I really hope my 12-year old is happy - I know that Zoey adores him already.

Thank you again for the response!

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I know she does all the testing on her dogs (I've checked on the registry), and I can tell you that our 3-year old Sparky is the most amazing dog I've ever owned - wonderful behavior and health. That's why we came back to her again. Zoey (the new puppy) seems to be wonderful as well and got a clean bill of health from our veterinarian (Dr. Joanne Baldwin - she is a Havanese breeder as well). She was amazed as well that the breeder nor her vet could see that this is a male, unless of course she just mixed the papers up? I'm not a vet nor a breeder (just a mother of three!), but even I noticed that her "bump" seemed to be a lot lower than our Sparky's. I was suspicious even before visiting Dr. Baldwin on Saturday.

She never actually apologized for the mixup, and she indicated that maybe she should switch veterinarians. Something doesn't sound right though - I can't think that a veterinarian anywhere wouldn't know if a pup was missing testicles. She just kept reiterating, "oh my God, are you kidding? That's only the second time in 10 years that has happened to me." She never said sorry, but just that she would switch the pup and pay for all the shipping.

Again - the puppy is adorable (I'll try to post her pic if I can figure it out) and healthy. She's only been getting me up once each night - yeah! I just want my son to be happy with having a female. Our vet has 5 females and one male - she said her females are plenty affectionate - just a more independent. But she said the males can be almost needy as well. She said the puppy looks great, and to keep in mind that even if we switch we may not like the other puppy as well.

Thank you all for listening - I really appreciate it.

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Julia, perhaps it was meant to be. We have two females and they are both very sweet. Our 5 1/2 month old pup LOVES our 12 year old son. It's hilarious to see them together. She bats her eyes at him and curls up in his lap. He calls her cutsy little names. This kid is a drummer in a rock band and a football player, but with the puppy..... he's a puddle of mush!!!
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Julia - welcome to the forum. Heather may have a point - maybe it was meant to be. There are no consistent personality traits by gender, as you can tell from all the varieties of puppy personalities that are evident on our Forum alone. Sometimes the females are more Alpha than males, but no guarantee. If the pup likes everyone in the house, and you like her, the kids like her, and your older Hav likes her, why not go with the flow and realize that everything happens for a reason? Just a thought...

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