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Havanese in 1980?

I recently stumbled across (and read!) the 143 pages of Havana Silk thread that contained a LOT of Havanase History. I'm mostly a lurker (looking at puppy pictures ), but my curiosity is getting the better of my shyness. So now I'm hoping someone can help answer a question that's been nagging for a while now.

I am privileged to own Lil Pawz Speedy "Caesar", son of Sebring Sorcerers Stone "Max" and Kolmar's Waltzing Matilda "Matty", and Lil Pawz Senate Mandate “Mandy”, daughter of Lil Pawz El Destello “Sparky” and Expression-Contessa at Lil Pawz “Tessa”. In getting to know Caesar, his pedigree, and the Havanese breed, I have become suspicious that I've owned a Havanese before.

In November 1980 we adopted from the Santa Clara Animal Shelter a 5-6 month-old "cockapoo" we named Alex. Alex is on the left (I hope!) below, Caesar on the right. Alex was white with cream markings (the colors on the photo below are darker than he was), about 14 lbs, 11 inches high, with a tail that curved over his back no matter how I tried to get him to hold it like a “normal” dog. His coat was eventually long and flowing with a full flag tail. It was as profuse as Caesar's, slightly more silky than Caesar’s but less so than Mandy’s.

Alex had this odd habit of occasionally running all over the house -- just running and running, apparently for the sheer joy of it. (rlh?) He earned his Mixed Breed CD, but just wouldn't let me go out of sight for Open. (Velcro?) I've called Caesar "Alex" more times than I can mention, usually when he's doing some normal Hav behavior that reminds me of Alex. When I finally became aware of my suspicions I looked at old home videos taken when he was around six. His gait resembles Caesar's (light-footed and elastic?); his rump appears slightly higher than his shoulder. (rising topline?) Alex was a member of our family until June 1997.

Is there anyone on this Forum who goes back that far with Havanese? Was there anyone who might have been breeding in 1980 in the San Jose area? Were there any stories of a pup going missing around November of that year?

I'd appreciate any light anyone can shed on Alex's mystery, even if it's only to say you're sure there were no Havanese in the San Jose area in 1980.

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Wow is all I can say...what a story. I will be interested to see what comes of this. They are both soo cute!!

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Hi Susan, Welcome to the forum!! I didn't know you were a lurker. Your story about Alex is fascinating. I hope you are able to find some answers and I commend you for reading through that entire HSD thread.

I just love looking at photos of Caesar. It's like looking at a photo of McKenna. I can't imagine why.............

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What an interesting thread.... I hope someone has some answers for you. Both your furbabies are precious!

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Alex sure lookeda lot like Caesar. I don't know if you can ever find out for sure, but he sure sounds and looks like a Hav to me! Welcome to the forum. I can't beleive you read that whole thread WOW! Even when it was an active thread it was alot to handle day after day!
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Susan - welcome to the forum. That's a really interesting observation - although I believe Dorothy Goodall didn't bring the first Havanese here until 1984- I may be wrong since I don't have my book in front of me.


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Is it possible that though Dorothy Goodall brought the breed to the US and began to actively breed in 1984, that someone else may have obtained a pair before that and bred him/her a few times but didn't have any interest in actually establishing a breed? Didn't Dorothy breed hers with someone else's (the dreaded Arizona conundrum thing). Didn't those come up from somewhere other than Cuba? Were they already in the US?
Gosh, now I have to re-read all of my Hav books!

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There were certainly "Havanese" in this country then and even before. I had a language professor in college from 1971 to 73 whose parents came from Cuba. His parents had two of the Cuban dogs that I saw when our French class ate dinner at their house a couple of times. I remember asking what kind of dogs they were and they just said they were a Cuban Dog. I have tried to find him since becoming involved with these dogs but have had no luck.

No question some of the dogs came here at least as far back as the Cuban revolution-which was in 1959, and maybe before.

Dorothy Goodale didn't bring the dogs here. She bought two different groups of dogs, started breeding them, and started the registry. They have only been called Havanese since then.

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That is fascinating. He looks awfully Havanese to me. Of course whatever he turns out to be he was gorgeous, as are the others.

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There were certainly "Havanese" in this country then and even before. I had a language professor in college from 1971 to 73 whose parents came from Cuba. His parents had two of the Cuban dogs that I saw when our French class ate dinner at their house a couple of times. I remember asking what kind of dogs they were and they just said they were a Cuban Dog. I have tried to find him since becoming involved with these dogs but have had no luck.

No question some of the dogs came here at least as far back as the Cuban revolution-which was in 1959, and maybe before.

Dorothy Goodale didn't bring the dogs here. She bought two different groups of dogs, started breeding them, and started the registry. They have only been called Havanese since then.
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The articles I've read (about Dorothy Goodale and the havanese breed)all said she had them shipped here to her home. In fact there was an interview with her in the Our Havanese magazine not that long ago. It was quite interesting. That's not to say that there wasn't some in the country prior----

It appears like your dog was a havanese....Alex and Caesar do look alot alike. Maybe he was turned out or lost. Interesting story......I'm glad you told us!

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