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the how to of two's...

ok, i have much to learn and once again i'm asking you all to share a bit more of your knowledge and experience with mugsy and me.

i am thinking about feeding times and walking times right now.
what is the conventional wisdom regarding food and water dishes, one large water bowl? seperate food dishes? same food?, kaylie eats legacy kibble and mugs refuses kibble. maybe he will try it if he sees her eating it?

walking...seperate leashes? no more flexi leash? a twinned lead at the end of the leash?
will they both be ok in the same xpen?

what has been working for you?

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Joe, I got each of my additional Havs when they were puppies so it was necessary for them to have their own xpens. I found it was important to have a place for the new pup to be comfortable without being constantly sniffed by the others. I would originally put her in a separate pen until they become very familiar and happy with each other. I feed all three of mine at the same time, and one is on different food than the others. Usually they stay at their own bowls, for fear that the others might eat their food. If you are able to get him to eat her kibble and that is a good thing - then that is great. I think with walking it will be trial & error. Try regular leashes first, then one regular leash with a splitter, and try the flexi leash. They may walk together better on one than the other. Joe - you will do great no matter what!!! I bet you cannot wait.

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I have no advice to offer since we only have Guapo (for now), but Good LUCK!!!


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And the panic starts setting in!

1) I have separate water bowls (actually I have 3 in the house & 2 outside, plus the kiddie pool that they both think is the best water bowl ever) but both dogs drink from any of the bowls.
2) Due to Tess' allergies, I'm feeding different foods.
3) I use separate food bowls. You may find one, the other, or both gets "growly" if the other approaches their bowl. Mine are fine but if I let him, Cody would eat all of Tess' food also. I feed at the same time but I always put Cody's food down first since he's alpha (most of the time). Frequently, even though her food is down, Tess will wait until Cody has completed his meal before she eats.
4) When giving bully sticks/bones/etc. I will frequently put down 3 (read somewhere that was a good idea) although it doesn't matter - they both want the same one and will take turns with it. The other 2 just sit there.
4) I have one large toy box for both. I consider some toys hers & some his, but they don't. Tess rarely plays with toys and frequently only if Cody brings one to her (she has him trained very nicely!)
5) I use two separate 6' leashes. Since I haven't done the best job teaching them to heel it gets a little dicey at times as they cross in front/behind me - but I've gotten very good at moving leashes from hand to hand. The rescue organization suggested a twinned lead so Tess was forced to keep up but I haven't tried it.
6) I walk both dogs at the same time - the first month was rough since Cody is a puller and Tess was a dragger (I was a sight to see with my arms stretched out as far as they could go) but we've worked things out and do pretty well. Frequently they now walk leaning against each other (I suspect trying to push the other off the sidewalk).
7) I'm trying to be more diligent in my training of two, which I do separately (drives the other one nuts!) When I first got Tess, I was trying to clicker train them at the same time and Cody lost ground since he wasn't getting the proper reinforcement since I was talking to Tess (he just didn't know that). As part of the training, I'm taking each on separate walks to work on their individual "issues"
8) I have separate beds/car seats/crates for each, but once Tess would rather snuggle up with Cody than lay in her own bed.
9) When I bathe them, I always bathe Cody first because Tess just lays at my feet waiting her turn.

I think the best you can do is just be flexible and patient...give something a try, if it doesn't work, try something else. I think a lot of things Mugsy and Kaylie will work out themselves - no matter what you have in mind.

Relax...you, Mugsy and Kaylie will do just fine!

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And the panic starts setting in!

1) I have separate water bowls (actually I have 3 in the house & 2 outside, plus the kiddie pool that they both think is the best water bowl ever) but both dogs drink from any of the bowls.same here
2) Due to Tess' allergies, I'm feeding different foods. same food for both
3) I use separate food bowls. You may find one, the other, or both gets "growly" if the other approaches their bowl. Mine are fine but if I let him, Cody would eat all of Tess' food also. I feed at the same time but I always put Cody's food down first since he's alpha (most of the time). Frequently, even though her food is down, Tess will wait until Cody has completed his meal before she eats. yes
4) When giving bully sticks/bones/etc. I will frequently put down 3 (read somewhere that was a good idea) although it doesn't matter - they both want the same one and will take turns with it. The other 2 just sit there. Never thought of that but a great idea
4) I have one large toy box for both. I consider some toys hers & some his, but they don't. Tess rarely plays with toys and frequently only if Cody brings one to her (she has him trained very nicely!)
5) I use two separate 6' leashes. Since I haven't done the best job teaching them to heel it gets a little dicey at times as they cross in front/behind me - but I've gotten very good at moving leashes from hand to hand. The rescue organization suggested a twinned lead so Tess was forced to keep up but I haven't tried it.
6) I walk both dogs at the same time - the first month was rough since Cody is a puller and Tess was a dragger (I was a sight to see with my arms stretched out as far as they could go) but we've worked things out and do pretty well. Frequently they now walk leaning against each other (I suspect trying to push the other off the sidewalk). Same
7) I'm trying to be more diligent in my training of two, which I do separately (drives the other one nuts!) When I first got Tess, I was trying to clicker train them at the same time and Cody lost ground since he wasn't getting the proper reinforcement since I was talking to Tess (he just didn't know that). As part of the training, I'm taking each on separate walks to work on their individual "issues"
8) I have separate beds/car seats/crates for each, but once Tess would rather snuggle up with Cody than lay in her own bed. yes
9) When I bathe them, I always bathe Cody first because Tess just lays at my feet waiting her turn.

I think the best you can do is just be flexible and patient...give something a try, if it doesn't work, try something else. I think a lot of things Mugsy and Kaylie will work out themselves - no matter what you have in mind.

Relax...you, Mugsy and Kaylie will do just fine!
I planned on taking one (out of the crate) a time for a little play but which ever one I take out first sits looking at the other in the crate. Their expression were saying"Get him out too!"
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good prep relaxes me...i am excited more than nervous or anxious...honest.

i have to say, the difference between this breeder and the one that i got mugsy from is like night and day. mugsy's refused to return emails or phone calls. this breeder has answered all my questions, sent a photo, just generally great.

thanks for all the replies.

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Joe, You'll have to play alot of it by ear!

I've had two for 6 weeks now, so no expert by any means but I'll still let you know how it's working here.

My two hit it off immediately but I still wouldn't pen them together and leave for the first few weeks~JIC! For the most part, I'm home and the pen is open. Shamouti will go off to lie in the pen when he's tired and sometimes Rufus will join him. I have two water bottles set up. One in the kitchen and one in the ex-pen and they share them both. I have two food bowls out for them and sometimes they eat together and other times not and when I'm trying to watch out that each is getting the right amount of food I close Shamouti in the pen with his. If anyone was coming up short it would be Rufus, because he will let the little one eat all he wants and do without if Shamouti wants it all! Bathtimes are separate and I may do one right after another or I may wait a day or two. We haven't had much leash work yet since Shamouti isn't fully vaccinated yet--next week is his last shot, but when I've had them both on leads in the yard Shamouti is so excited he jumps and wiggles all around and tangles the two of them up together. I'm sure it'll be easier when we're actually going somewhere and if not I'll get the Pet Walker Plus leash http://www.petwalkerplus.com/ . It has a swivel to keep them from tangling.

I think it's easier for you if they are both on the same pet food.
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I planned on taking one (out of the crate) a time for a little play but which ever one I take out first sits looking at the other in the crate. Their expression were saying"Get him out too!"
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Yep, same thing in our house. "Yeah, we love ya mom, but...."

The other thing Joe is that I'm finding they're relationship continues to change - especially as Tess becomes more & more comfortable. I'm sure her having been a puppymill breeder has a more dramatic impact on that than you'll find with Kaylie but you'll see them changing how they interact with each other & you. When I first brought Tess home Cody didn't care about playing with me anymore - he wanted Tess! Seven months later, he's starting to come to me for play sessions again.

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i'm guessing the dynamic will be dynamic.
mugsy was 10 months old when i got him from the breeder.
kaylie is 6 years old and just coming from the breeder.
i doubt that either are 'normal' as in growing up in a home from puppyhood.

i think part of the fun will be playing much of it by ear and my trying to be flexible enough to go with their flow.
i have never had 2 dogs at the same time. i did have a cat and a dog together once but the cat thought she was a dog.

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Like everyone else, each of my dogs has their own food dish. They all share two water dishes. They share toys. I walk the Havs at the same time on two leashes. I walk the Sheltie separately only because three is too many for me to handle by myself.

Someone gave me some advice when we brought home our second puppy and I still follow it today. In all things, McKenna (the first pup) comes first. When I come in the door and put my stuff down, she gets petted first. When I hand out treats, she gets hers first and when I put down the food dishes, hers hits the floor first. I suppose it helped her to know that no matter what, even though we brought home a puppy, we still loved her. She never once seemed to be jealous of puppy Sedona so I guess it worked.

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