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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-24-2008, 08:29 AM Thread Starter
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An off topic maltese question/rant

My friend currently has a 3yr old Maltese. She's now decided he needs some company and wants to get another Maltese. I tried to talk her into a Havanese but she won't budge. So I'm helping her make some calls to breeders asking about price.

I've called about 5 breeders and most of them tell me the same thing. They give me a range of say $1800 - $2500, saying the price depends on size and quality. One breeder told me she won't give me a price until the litter is born. Only one breeder gave me a firm price. This just seems quite a deceptive practice to me. What's to stop the breeder from picking up on your desire for one specific pup (it's so easy to fall in love with a little maltese puppy) and then milk you for all it's worth by indicating that the pup's size and quality make it a $2500 pup?

I can understand a different price for a male or female or if you plan on breeding but basing it on size, health, and quality just doesn't seem right.

My friend has now found someone who is selling pupies via the newspaper without any registration for $900. She will be going to visit the home tonight. I'm just afraid that she has no way of truly knowing the parents history and health. But I can see how it's quite inticing when more than likely she would be paying $2500.
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Daniel - tell your friend beware - most Maltese breeders are just beginning to health test for bile acids and are finding that liver problems are rampant in the breed. I'd suggest that they join the Spoiled Maltese forum and read up a bit. A lot of good breeders and info is posted there. Lots of nonsense too but they'll make some good contacts. If she isn't successful finding some good breeders, PM me and I'll send you some names I've heard of but haven't fully researched their health testing.

My friend just started breeding and didn't find out from her breeder (one of the very top ones) about bile acids and all the males in her litter came out high. They went back down but she didn't feel right charging for them so found them good pet homes. So your friend might want to consider that route.

And by the way - those are pretty good prices. My friend paid $4500 for breeding rights on a female and owed half of the first litter back to the breeder. One of the top Maltese show dogs just sold for $25,000 and was considered a bargain. And we thought our cute guys were expensive.

Oh and since I have one of both - tell your friend again that I'd go with another Hav in a heartbeat over a Maltese.


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I hear you. I have had people asking about Havanese puppies after meeting Benji and Lizzie. They are shocked by the price tag. They don't understand the importance of health testing and having a reliable, trustworthy, knowledgeable breeder!

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Oh and since I have one of both - tell your friend again that I'd go with another Hav in a heartbeat over a Maltese.

Lisa, a dear friend of mine has a Maltese, and her barking drives me crazy. All the visitors so far we have had here are amazed to see how quiet Benji and Lizzie are. They only bark when the door bell rings but once I am at the door, they are quiet. Havs are the best!

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Daniel, is your friend in Canada?

In Canada it is illegal to sell a dog as "Purebred" with no registration papers. It is federal law that all animals sold as "Purebred" have to have proper registration papers at no additional charge to the purchaser.

Quote from the CKC Rules of finding a Reputable Breeder

"Confirm CKC registration of the parents, the litter and the puppy you are
about to purchase
This is not a matter of choice - this is the law in Canada, as required under the Animal
Pedigree Act. Any breeder selling a dog as purebred must register the dog and provide the
new owner with the registration certificate within six months of the date of sale. In order for
the puppy to be registered, the dog's parents and the emanating litter must also be
registered. A reputable breeder will be more than willing to provide this information. If you
have any doubts, ask the breeder for a copy of the Certificate of Registration of Litter
previously issued by CKC. It is the responsibility of the breeder to forward the application
papers to CKC and pay for the initial registration and transfer of the dog into your name.
The cost to a member breeder is approximately $25.00. Upon receiving the breeder's
applications, it takes CKC about 10 days to process the applications and send the certificate
of registration back to the breeder. The breeder must then send the certificate to you, as
the new owner of the puppy. Obtaining official papers is the responsibility of the seller, not
the buyer. Don't accept the responsibility of sending in the applications or paying for them.
Warning Signs:
The breeder hands you the registration application papers and tells you to
send them in with the required fees.
The breeder offers you the purebred dog at one price with papers and at
another price without papers."

Here is a link to the full article.

http://www.ckc.ca/en/portals/0/pdf/C...nd.breeder.pdf

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Maltese really are barkers aren't they Poornima? Although I'm loving the new house - Buddy really can't supervise the front very well any more and it's sooo much quieter. I'm sure he'll eventually figure out how to get his little nose under the sidelite window blinds at the front door or how to look out my low office window. But that's one trick he'll have to figure out on his own.


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thanks Lisa!

$25,000 for a dog???? Does it know sign language or pickup after itself at least? Holy Mother of Maltese!
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thanks Lisa!

$25,000 for a dog???? Does it know sign language or pickup after itself at least? Holy Mother of Maltese!
It'd better not yap at that price tag!

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I agree! The most shocking part is no health test at that price or a good breeder does bile!

As to the barking-there is no comparison!

There are many die hard maltese lovers. Some nights I am but the next morning the barking wakes me up while I snuggle my neezers!

Hopefully your friend connects with a breeder or she may want to try rescue.

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