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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 08-15-2008, 10:28 AM Thread Starter
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another side of mugsy

i wish i had a video camera...

mugsy and kaylie are hitting their stride lately, playing and running together.
mugsy is very aggressive and refuses to leave kaylie alone when it would seem clear that she has had enough. she will go into her crate but mugsy will grab the crate bed and drag it and kaylie out! he has discovered that he can also drag her by the collar. he grabs the collar, she rolls onto her back and he drags her around. it looks funny. he quits when gets tired and needs a nap and then they both sleep.
i have seen her stand her ground with him and even give him a nip when she has had enough but i want to interfere and tell him 'no' when he gets too pushy.
i am assuming it's best to let them work this out on their own?

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post #2 of 16 (permalink) Old 08-15-2008, 10:40 AM
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Hi Joe:

I think a year ago, I would have said, let them work it out.

But, I think now, I would intervene. I think it is important to set some limits on Mugsy's behavior so that Kaylie doesn't get into a mode of being irritated with Mugsy. I have seen that kind of pattern develop between my two, so I have been intervening more which I think helps. Lincoln used to spend a lot of time under the bed, because he is naturally independent, but also to avoid Scout's puppy exuberance and antics. Now that Scout is calming down, and we are putting some limits on Scout, Lincoln comes out more to interact.

Kaylie should be able to retreat to a "safe" place, so Mugsy's dragging her out, bed and all, might be one limit to set.

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I agree with Jane. I would intervene with a firm "NO". He has to learn that there's a limit to what's allowed. As well if it continues at some point a fight can develop if he is very insistent. I usually let Bogart and Brando go at it for awhile and they can get crazy but the play is mutual. If Bogart has had enough he usually comes and stays by my legs. If Brando tries to continue I just hold him firmly in place and say "NO".

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Joe--I also would not leave a collar on Kaylie while she is in the house. Mugsie may unintentionally choke her.
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I wish you had a video camera too. It sounds cute to watch. But, I guess like kids they may need some limits. How fun to watch them play!

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all collars are off. i can use the harnesses for walks, although it takes forever to get it on kaylie, mugs just stands up and walks into his. he spoiled me in many ways.

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I would stop it when you think it's too much. I've done this with Milo and Bailey. I let them work things out till it just looks like too much to me. Then I say "no. Stop it!" and they'll stop if only for a moment or two. As time has gone on I have to interfere less and less. They each set their own limits (most of the time). Poor Kaylie, dragged around on her back. Aww! Help the girl out.

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I agree with Jane. I would intervene with a firm "NO". He has to learn that there's a limit to what's allowed. As well if it continues at some point a fight can develop if he is very insistent. I usually let Bogart and Brando go at it for awhile and they can get crazy but the play is mutual. If Bogart has had enough he usually comes and stays by my legs. If Brando tries to continue I just hold him firmly in place and say "NO".
Yeah, like Daniel said.
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when it gets to be too much

Riki is a dynamo. Daisy is much calmer. I can tell when she has had enough as she retreats and does not come back to play which happens after some time of rather rough play. When she won't play he tries to mount her which I don't allow either way. I think he gets hyperexcited even though he is neutered, he is a male dog after all.

Just like with kids, I let them go till one has said enough and the other refuses to listen. I'm the pack leader, I let them know when enough is enough.

In their four years together they have only gotten into it one time. She had a chew bone and he had already chewed his. I was surprised by this. Won't let that happen again. It scared me to see them going at each other even though they stopped quickly. He is a bit of a hog about the chew bones which keep their teeth clean. They are not food aggressive. They usually love on each other...but that bone thing was not good.

Limits needed! We are not their friend, we are their alpha.

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today, i let them play and did not intervene until i thought i needed to. i notice that she is being more firm about her no's to him and he takes notice, but not usually for very long.
i thought that he was more of a delicate dog than i have had in the past but she is even more so.
i think it will all work out in the end.
when i think about it, tomorrow will only be 2 weeks since she moved in with us.

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