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what words would make you stop and think?

I got a call today about a puppy I have and the woman choked at the price and said she could get one further north of me for 600. I'm aware of who breeds in Texas and knew the puppy wasn't from a reputable breeder.
I tried everything I knew to get through to her about health testing and everything went over her head. I even told her that if she wanted an inexpensive hav I'd help her get in touch with HRI so at least she'd know if the dog had any issues and it would be fully checked out. Nope, not good enough for her, it has to be a puppy.
Help me out here.....what words would make you stop and think?
I feel like I failed her and it's been bugging me all day.

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I'm not sure that there is much you can say when you talk to people like that.
I had one the other day that I told her weather she get a puppy from me or someone else to please make sure that they are health tested and especially the parents. When I brought up that most good breeders have will have good guarantees if not life guarantees, she finally stopped and started to ask more questions, then I was able to proceed to tell her that her money would be better spent in the beginning and to have those guarantees then to get a puppy a for less just to find out that it is going to cost them more and there were NO guarantees.
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Thanks Heather. Darn, that's something I forgot about was the guarantee. I sure hope she calls some other breeders and finds out she's headed down the wrong road.

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Jan, that is just so frustrating. My husband always says that the amount of money you spend on the actual dog is the smallest part of what you will end up spending on it over its lifetime. Add in health problems and wow - now the purchase price is but a mere fraction of the total cost.

I think also people don't have a good idea of what a good purebred dog really costs. Havs are expensive, but my impression is that if you want a good purebred dog of a "regular" breed, you will end up spending around $750 or more. If you look in the newspaper and see puppies advertised for $200-300, then in your mind, that is what you expect to pay.

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It's definately how people are positioned now on what pets 'should' cost. I don't even know how many times I've had to justify the price I paid for capote and people 'still' look at me with blank vacant crazy stares. The fact of the matter is people look in the newspaper and see.. teacup poodles and chihuahuas and even cats for free or for 100 bucks and expect every dog to be like that.. it's just a dog after all, right? They don't stop to think about all the things that go into good breeding and what a good breeder is..all they're looking at is how cute it is, how fast they can get it, and how cheap they can get it for; it's human nature. Everyone wants a quick bargain..that's why walmart does so well. I probably would have made the same mistake if I hadn't found this website first and researched how to buy a purebred havanese. I read on AKC...but I'm an anal 'tard like that...most people aren't.

I had a lady who was searching for a dog at christmas for her kids in the store and we started talking. She was calling people out of the newspaper because she had to buy the dog that day..it was part of her christmas shopping. (Can you believe it? ) ..it didn't matter what breed it was..just that it was small and fluffy. I tried to tell her that buying a puppy at Christmas was the worst time to buy; that it was too much stress on the puppy because it's too crazy; to, if they really had to, buy the supplies for the pet for presents for the kids with the promise to go pick up the puppy after the holidays were done and everyone was settled down again. That really didn't get through, but I did tell her about finding reputable breeders and she seemed to take it to heart. I told her about the puppy mills and how many of them are around; especially just a few miles north of us in oklahoma and how much those dogs suffer in those conditions and what her money would be paying for. Then I gave her the AKC website so she could find breed organizations to contact a reputable breeder.

You never really know what they're going to walk away doing; if she really wants a puppy right then and there she's going to get it.. you can only say what you can..it's just like talking to someone about Christianity; you get to a certain point of trying to get them to see your point of view and after that its live or let God, so to speak..lol. But hopefully what I told her made her stop and think.

...I had another lady whom I sat next to on a plane trip up to Boston who was coming back from buying her 'teacup yorkie' from a breeder in oklahoma. she spent 2 grand on the dog and already it was having health issues. She said that her other 'teacup yorkie' had over 3 grand in health issues when it was first brought home but she thought it was normal so she expected to have the same problems with her new puppy. ...It physically made me ill that she spent that much money on a puppy that had no health guarantee and she didn't know where the puppy was born or what it's lineage was. I had a rant on that when I was able to get online.. lol

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Jan, that is just so frustrating. My husband always says that the amount of money you spend on the actual dog is the smallest part of what you will end up spending on it over its lifetime. Add in health problems and wow - now the purchase price is but a mere fraction of the total cost.

I think also people don't have a good idea of what a good purebred dog really costs. Havs are expensive, but my impression is that if you want a good purebred dog of a "regular" breed, you will end up spending around $750 or more. If you look in the newspaper and see puppies advertised for $200-300, then in your mind, that is what you expect to pay.
I must have expensive taste When I was looking for a standard poodle several years ago it was the norm to hear the price was 1,200 to 1,500. Hm, I wonder what the price is now?
I agree with your husband. I'd rather pay for a good dog up front than thousands in vet bills.

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I had a lady who was searching for a dog at christmas for her kids in the store and we started talking. She was calling people out of the newspaper because she had to buy the dog that day..it was part of her christmas shopping. (Can you believe it? ) ..it didn't matter what breed it was..just that it was small and fluffy. I tried to tell her that buying a puppy at Christmas was the worst time to buy; that it was too much stress on the puppy because it's too crazy;
For many a dog at Christmas is not a good choice and don't forget the Jewish holiday I can't spell. For my household, it would be a good time. We have quiet holidays here with our family spread all over the country. A puppy would get a ton of love at that time here so feel free to send me a Christmas present in the form of a hav
Buying an unexpected puppy for someone for Christmas is just plain nuts (unless it's for me)

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I'd tell people to come on this site and become educated. We bought a Jack Russell puppy in 1994, long before I began searching on the internet. The breeder was nice but looking back, I can see she bred for size, not health. Kidney problems developed in our puppy when she turned 1 year. We spent 10 years dealing with that problem. She died of kidney cancer when she was 10.

When we wanted another puppy a couple of years ago, I began searching the internet for what kind of dog would be a good fit for us. I kept coming back to the Havanese so I began researching that breed. I learned about potential health problems and the need for a reputable breeder. I knew we needed to pay for a healthy puppy or else we'd end up paying even more in money and anguish later.

This site was so helpful in guiding us along the whole puppy-buying process. I know it could help other newbies to the Havanese breed.
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For many a dog at Christmas is not a good choice and don't forget the Jewish holiday I can't spell. For my household, it would be a good time. We have quiet holidays here with our family spread all over the country. A puppy would get a ton of love at that time here so feel free to send me a Christmas present in the form of a hav
Buying an unexpected puppy for someone for Christmas is just plain nuts (unless it's for me)
My husband gave me a puppy for Christmas last year. Not really a puppy so to say, but a lovely card stating that when I was ready to get another puppy, I had the ok and he had the money saved! I was ready this last Spring when my breeder had a lovely new pups and a good match for us.

Jan, anything would make me stop and think, but I am a thinker! There are some folks out there that are sure they know it all and have no interest in anything other than hearing your bottom line. I don't think they are looking for a companion at all, they are looking for a bargain dog! It's an item to them, not a living being. They aren't thinking over the long run, they are only thinking of the immediate purchase.
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When I first started researching Havanese I have to say that I was suffering from "sticker shock" but after reading about health testing and guarantees it made sense to me to spend the money on a healthy dog..We ended up paying a reduced price for Todd but I would have gladly paid the full amount...I just would've had to save up a little more money
Knowledge is power...education is the key to good decision making.

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