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Angry Help with housebreaking!!!

Lucy has been with us a month now and I hate to say it but she is definitely winning the housebreaking battle!!

She was trained to papers and towels/blankets by her breeder, so unbeknownst to me she has been peeing on the towels I put in her x-pen to her keep from peeing in her x-pen. So now she thinks it's OK to pee on anything! She has gotten better about going on the wall to wall carpeting, because she knows I'm not happy about that, but she will even pee in her kennel!!

Lucy is 14 1/2 weeks old now. But she has to pee every hour. She goes through the night without any problems (or from 10PM to 4:30AM) but during the day she is driving me nuts!

I have started to only give her water with her meals, between 6:30 to 7:30AM and 12:30 to 1:30 and 6:30 to 7:30PM. Her new trick is to pee inside the x-pen. It can be less than 30 minutes after her last trip outside for pee-pee. I also put a divider in her wire kennel to make it smaller. Am I going to have to keep her in there unless she is under my watchful eye?

Advice, encouragement, anything!!! I seem to remember Rico had me frantic right before he got it........but the fact that I miscommunicated to her that she could go on those towrels and blankets bothers me.

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I can feel that "want to pull my hair out" feeling from a long time ago with another dog I had. It's so hard with some dogs, but I think you can retrain her. I do think you are going to have to keep her in her crate with the divider with only enough room for her to lay down. No towels or blankets in the crate. You will have to take her outside every couple of hours -- play a while after potty -- and put her right back in the crate. It might be a good idea to have the vet check her to see if she has an infection because it seems to me that she is going potty to often for her age. I think you just have to make sure she has no chance to potty inside at all - and if she does potty in her crate, clean the tray with white vinagar. I think if you take her to the same spot outside and just stand there till she potties...she will "get it" fairly soon. Good luck in re-training. I know it's hard....but a couple of weeks of hard is worth years of having a trained furbaby.!


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How about training her to use a pee pad first? When she pees on the floor dip the centre of the pee pad into the pee. That way she can really smell the pee on pad and will hopefully go there. Once she is not peeing anywhere else, then try to move her to peeing outside.

I did this with Brando and it worked. He really only got the hang of the pee pad when there was pee on the pad even though it was scented. He would walk over to it, sniff and then pee. Wheras without the pee on it he would sniff and just walk by it. It's almost as if he was marking it because the odour was stronger. Of course every single time he peed on it he got a treat and lots of praise. When he missed it, he got a "bad boy" and no treat.

I also never gave him water after 8pm and took him to pee around 10pm. He made it through the night without any problems very quickly.

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I agree with trying pee pad training.
When we brought Todd home I planned on outdoor training only but I had a hard time catching him in time so rather that go through another gallon of Natures miracle I decided to buy the pads.
Within a few days he was hitting the pad 99% of the time.
We still go outside to potty every 2 hrs but occasionally he'll have an in-between potty on the pad. It's made life much less stressful for both of us and his potty pad usage his decreased as he's able to "hold it" for a longer period of time.

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14 1/2 weeks seems still very young to have high expectations. I know that potty training came very easily to some of the people here, but not to the majority of pup owners. I didn't even seriously push the issue until about 16 weeks and I was CONSTANTLY taking him out and never let him get out of site until it finally sank in when I almost had given up hope....but it has paid off, we haven't had any accidents in a long time, but i still crate him when I am gone any longer than 15 minutes.

I would definitely take the towels and blankets out of the X-pen for now...if that is what the breeder trained him to, he's obviously confused about why that is suddenly a bad thing.

Does he pee in his crate, too, or just the X-pen? Because that may be a good option, too, to use the crate more during the training times.

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Hi iluvhavs
I'm right there with ya, girl. Potty training's a drag...

Saydee's 17 weeks and I still let her out about every 20-25 minutes, all day long, just to be on the safe side (unless she's napping). If you set a timer for every 20 minutes and just take her out, it may help you to avoid alot of the accidents altogether. Doggies Lucy's age can pretty much go on demand after about 25 minutes and it helps if she knows there's no playing, or going back inside, until she gets the job done. I know it's alot of work, but every accident you avoid gets you that much closer to the goal.

I don't use pee pads because I prefer Saydee think it's never acceptable to go potty inside, period. You might consider this approach simply because your breeder encouraging potty on blankets is gonna make it tough! How is Lucy supposed to know that peeing on clothing, blankets, towels, even rugs, is unacceptable? That seems like it might take alot of patience on your part to break that habit

All the more reason to not even let her get to the point where she feels the need. I know it's very time consuming, and trust me I get so frustrated I want to cry when Saydee pees on my bed after all the effort I put toward training. But I have to remember how young she is, and that every time I catch her in the act, and redirect her outside, it's a good thing. I never let her out of my sight and I'm always on high alert. I don't yet trust her to make the right decision just because she did the time before, so I still put her in her crate any time I can't give her that supervision.

Every single week gets better, and I'd have to say that Saydee's about 98% there. It's just that last 2% I've gotta shake!

I hope this helps. From one puppy mommy to another, I'm pulling for ya!

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we would give our pup a treat each time we came back in the house after he peed outside, he would associate going outside with getting a yummy treat. also, as pup, i remember our guy would pee but we would ahve to leave him out a bit longer cuz there was alwasy something extra in the bladder. and oh yes, i took him out every hour on the hour, then it went to every hour and a half, he's just a baby, it takes time!
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Good point, littlebuddy
Saydee sometimes goes two, even three times before she's "empty". She spends alot of time sniffing for the perfect spot and I stand there and twiddle my thumbs. As the weather gets cooler, I stand there and shiver and wish I'd put my slippers on!
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I tried leaving her in the x-pen today, unless she was playing with Rico under my watchful eye. Kept her food and water up on the counter except for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

I actually had a dry day!! I think a big part of the problem was the blankets and towels around as well as leaving the water and food down all day. I remove the source and I removed the problem. Also, you're right about the waiti for a second pee. She goes so fast, with Rico bugging her, that she doesn't completely empty that tiny bladder.

I had her peeing on a pee pad or newspaper when she first came home, but figured I was giving her crossed messages and ended that. I would prefer she learn to hold it until she can alert me that she needs to go out. I'm here all day, so that's on problem. Rico has been trained to let himself out through the doggy door into our totally fenced backyard. But until she can negotiate stairs, that won't be happening for her!

One great piece of advice you guys gave me was to take her out emotionless and praise her only after she did her business. I've been sweet talking her on the trip out and I think it made the peeing outside seem less significant.

So, food and water schedule, keep her in the x-pen unless she is under my watch, and keep the praise coming.

Thanks for all the great advice and encouragement. You guys are super!!

I can do this, I can do this, I can do this................................


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I honestly don't think having them pee on a pad at first gives them a mixed message. I think it depends on how it is done. I always had the pad in my bathroom. I also kept my guys on a schedule. We would go out every morning during the week at 6:30am, then they were locked in the kitchen with a pad until I came home at 5pm. I then took them out. I then also took them out just before bed at around 10pm. I've been on this schedule for 2 yrs now. EVentually they seemed to just learn to hold it and prefer to go outside.

Today, on my home, there was a fire in the subway (metro). All service was stopped. I had to find an alternate route home. It took me a full 2hrs to get home. When I got home both my guys held their pee and poop till I took them out, over 11hrs. I had a pee pad in the bathroom which on occasion if Brando needs it, he will use it. But I find the vast majority of times, he simply prefers holding it til we get outside. Bogart refuses to use the pad and will only go outside.

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