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Need help with teeth

I have been very good about brushing DJangos teeth everyday or every other day since he had them cleaned for the 6th time (it's become a yearly appointment) but for the life of me, I can't keep them clean. There are times where I am out of town for a couple of days and the dog sitter is not comfortable brushing his teeth so he might go a few days without a brushing however with what I am doing, they are terrible.

I don't know if his Addisons, prednisone, meds., baby Gas-ex, etc. are having a negative effect on his teeth. I am also concerned he may have a cavity. Don't know if this is possible but there's a tiny black dot on his back molar. He has an appointment next week with the vet for his shot so I am going to have him check things out but I wanted to reach out to see if anyone had any other suggestions to clean teeth other than brushing. I also have heard of a product called LEBAII that's suppose to work but have yet to try it.
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Here are a few ideas:

1. If your dog sitter isn't comfortable brushing his teeth, ask him/her to have Django lick the toothpaste off his/her finger.

2. Make sure he has a plethora of chews toys that are good for the teeth. Rib Bones, etc.

3. Raw Meaty Bones

4. Try Greenies/Dentastix and other dental chews.

5. What kind of food are you feeding him? Contrary to popular belief, dry kibble is not the best for keeping teeth clean. Many of the Raw Frozen foods contain crushed bone that functions as a mild abrasive that helps keep teeth clean.

6. Petzlife Oral Care also works well. Check with your Vet to make sure the ingredients aren't contra indicated for his varios health issues.

Grape Seed Extract
Helps prevent dental plaque
Helps mitigate oral and gum diseases
Contains Proanthocyanidins (Potent antioxidant properties)

Grapefruit Seed Extract
High in vitamin C, E and bioflavonoids
Excellent at alkalizing body fluids
Reduces periodontal inflammation
Detoxifies, enhances and supports immune function

Grain Alcohol
Anti-bacterial
Holds ingredients in suspension
Catalyst for ingredients efficacy

Thyme Oil
Natural antimicrobial properties
Helps control the pathogenic organisms responsible for tooth decay, gingivitis, and bad breath.

Neem Oil
Helps prevent bacteria from adhering to teeth (reduce plaque)
Helps prevent and reverse gum disease
Natural breath freshener with antibacterial properties

Peppermint Oil
Very potent antiseptic properties
Helps to battle bad breath bacteria
Contains omega-3 fatty acids, Vitamin A and Vitamin C


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Here are some other links I've found, but I have not "Vetted" the information. Maybe others can opine on these:

http://www.1800petmeds.com/C.E.T.+Or...prod10443.html

http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/dog-dental-treats

http://www.virbacvet.com/products/de...l-health/chews
(this product is listed below)

http://www.vohc.org/accepted_products.htm

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Agree with Gibbs Mom and Dad re raw meaty bones; Tycho, my Coton's teeth were problematic until I got him on a chicken wing for breakfast, and other raw bones; they are absolutely right too re kibble - it coats the teeth and is horrible stuff. There's a very, very good book called "The Science Behind Canine Raw Feeding" by H. Turner - it's available in e format or ordinary (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...eding+for+dogs)
It will fill you in on some of the recent research, there's a lot on periodontal disease, and other health issues, and the stats on what happens when you change to raw are impressive. Poor Django! I do hope you manage to turn it around. Cuba has always had bones and raw + Ziwipeak, and has, at least so far, perfect teeth. Tychy's are getting better now.
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1. Django loves having his teeth brushed.

2. Make sure he has a plethora of chews toys that are good for the teeth. Rib Bones,
He does not chew on any chew toys or bones. I have bought him everything from antlers to lambs ears, nyla bones, etc. and he has NO interest. I have truly tried everything .

3. Raw Meaty Bones- no can do. HE has beef, lamb allergies and meaty bones are too fatty for his sensitive belly

4. Try Greenies/Dentastix and other dental chews. REFUSES. I have tried them all.

5. What kind of food are you feeding him? I feed him Kibble and raw is not an option for us do to his past health history.

6. Petzlife Oral Care also works well. Check with your Vet to make sure the ingredients aren't contra indicated for his varios health issues. I will look into this.
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1. Django loves having his teeth brushed.

2. Make sure he has a plethora of chews toys that are good for the teeth. Rib Bones,
He does not chew on any chew toys or bones. I have bought him everything from antlers to lambs ears, nyla bones, etc. and he has NO interest. I have truly tried everything .

3. Raw Meaty Bones- no can do. HE has beef, lamb allergies and meaty bones are too fatty for his sensitive belly

4. Try Greenies/Dentastix and other dental chews. REFUSES. I have tried them all.

5. What kind of food are you feeding him? I feed him Kibble and raw is not an option for us do to his past health history.

6. Petzlife Oral Care also works well. Check with your Vet to make sure the ingredients aren't contra indicated for his varios health issues. I will look into this.
Please please consider that many of these allergies can be precipitated by diet in the first place; I've been this route. It took time to get Tycho off food that he could tolerate but that was harming him; I have the greatest respect for vets on most counts, but absolutely NOT on the question of nutrition. We had a bad time transferring, but now have NO allergies, NO stomach problems, NO continuing teeth issues. Fat is truly, honestly, faithfully, sincerely NOT the problem. Grain is the problem. Simple carbohydrates, including nice, innocuous, plain, benign-sounding rice. Perhaps DaveT can come to the rescue with some expertise from Sabine; maybe it will even contradict me. But everything I personally have found, and all that I have read says that things have to get worse to get better, but that getting away from too many carbohydrates and not enough protein and bone is the way to go if we have the courage to get through the potentially difficult transition. I would implore you to read that book even if you never go down this route - it is an education, as are the films posted by DaveT on another thread, by a vet called Dr Becker, I think….I'll see if I can find the link, or hope that Dave comes in on this and can remind us.
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The Dr Becker videos are on Page 2 of the thread Primal or Ziwipeak, little buddy; so have a look at them! And please don't feel either despair, or bullied by people like me - I'm just sort of evangelical, having suffered so much myself and finally, finally got through it all. Tycho absolutely refused raw food point blank until I first got him onto Ziwipeak, which is air-dried raw, and then onto a commercial raw called Wolf Tucker (I think that's only available in the UK, but their website is interesting); he now has no digestive problems. It's hard not to be pushy when life can so change for the better!! But please don't think I'm being anything other than feeling for you in your predicament. I guess all Im hoping you might do is read up a bit on some of the research, and listen to Dr Becker's videos that might give you the courage to move into a different gear, even if it is hard to begin with. When I watch Tycho hoovering up his Wolf Tucker (my small, white, fluffy Coton wolf!!) it just makes me so sympathetic to all that you are going through, and SO want to help!!!
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probably the kibble along with the fact that some dogs are just more prone to tartar. They generally don't get cavities per se. I've said it before and I will say it again , you need to consult with someone like Sabine and improve your food choice. , she works with dogs like Django all the time.

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Well, I know raw is not an option, and this was confirmed by my vet, my holistic vet and Sabine. I do need to find a chew that he can tolerate but it's been so difficult to find something. He's off all the bad stuff, truly eats healthy out of necessity. Fat is also something I need to keep tabs on, per vet, holistic vet………due to pancreatitis (2x) colitis, and a bunch of other problems.

Thanks for the info however, my feeling is if there is even one piece of information that can be helpful, then I am in good shape and can continue to research my problem with my beautiful Hav.
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Well, I know raw is not an option, and this was confirmed by my vet, my holistic vet and Sabine. I do need to find a chew that he can tolerate but it's been so difficult to find something. He's off all the bad stuff, truly eats healthy out of necessity. Fat is also something I need to keep tabs on, per vet, holistic vet………due to pancreatitis (2x) colitis, and a bunch of other problems.

Thanks for the info however, my feeling is if there is even one piece of information that can be helpful, then I am in good shape and can continue to research my problem with my beautiful Hav.
All we can do is our best, which I can see you have. Since you've already consulted with Sabine, I'm sure you're doing the best you can with the food.

Have you tried these chews:

http://www.virbacvet.com/products/de...l-health/chews


Since he will let you brush his teeth, how do you think he'd react to flossing (don't let him eat the floss).

http://www.doggiedentalaid.com/


Or dog toys that can act as floss:

http://www.wag.com/html/sg/dog-dental-floss-ball.html


http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...6&pcatid=26246

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...8&pcatid=26648



Please know I'm just brainstorming with you now and have no idea how well the above products may work, if at all. You may have even tried them.

John




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