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So, there is a 10 month old Tibetan Terrier on my street and Milo just met him today which ive been looking forward to for ages as they are similar breed and both pups.

The TT seemed to be trying to pin Milo down, he would stand on top of him, while milo is wagging his tail amd trying to play the TT seemed to just want to stand on top of milo and wasnt wagging his tail. Milo is hyper with other dogs so i can see that can be annoying to them but he is never agressive with other dogs, he never growls (i see alot of puppys in our puppy school growl at each other and play rough, milo doesnt like that, he is a softy and wants to play nice!)

So does this mean that the TT "doesnt like him" lol? Should i be worried that on a play date he might hurt milo? I dont really understand this behaviour as milo is always so soft with other dogs, but hyper and eager to play.

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So, there is a 10 month old Tibetan Terrier on my street and Milo just met him today which ive been looking forward to for ages as they are similar breed and both pups.

The TT seemed to be trying to pin Milo down, he would stand on top of him, while milo is wagging his tail amd trying to play the TT seemed to just want to stand on top of milo and wasnt wagging his tail. Milo is hyper with other dogs so i can see that can be annoying to them but he is never agressive with other dogs, he never growls (i see alot of puppys in our puppy school growl at each other and play rough, milo doesnt like that, he is a softy and wants to play nice!)

So does this mean that the TT "doesnt like him" lol? Should i be worried that on a play date he might hurt milo? I dont really understand this behaviour as milo is always so soft with other dogs, but hyper and eager to play.

Hopefully you guys have some insight on this situation!
At 10 months, the TT is really past "puppy play" and is likely to play more like an adult dog. Also, although TT's and Havanese may LOOK a little bit alike with their long hair and high tail carriage, they are VERY different breeds. There is no certainty that their play styles would be similar.

It's really hard to tell what's going on from your description, without seeing the two dogs in action. I would suggest that if thou really want these two to be friends, have a good positive based trainer come out and watch he two in action and teach you what is "good" body language and what to look out for. She can also help you "coach" their early interactions so they learn to play together well.

Also, I wanted to comment on growling during puppy play. That is TOTALLY appropriate, and has NOTHING to do with aggression. The whole point of puppy play is learning how to act with each other. And they try out a lot of different behaviors. Think of it as young boys playing "cops and robbers". It doesn't mean, in any way, that the boys playing the "robbers" aren't nice kids, or aren't "playing nice".


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I wouldn't like that too much if some dog was pinning Gucci down, not that she would tolerate it..I think she would strive more for the alpha role (which might be what that was, the TT establishing the alpha role in the friendship (?))
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Our older larger dogs will pin Leo to the ground when he acts too bratty - biting at their elbows, face. It has seemed an effective tactic to communicate to Leo that the bratty behavior isn't acceptable. Neither Porter or Becca have ever hurt Leo when pinning him and they don't pin him very long, typically just a few seconds, but it does seem to let him know that the bratty behavior needs to stop. I don't know that the TT is trying to communicate anything of the sort with your puppy.


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Thats a good way of putting it Karren, and i do realise that it is ok for pupps to growl at each other i just wanted you to get a feel of how milo likes to play.

Milo is a bit of a brat actually. Alough hes never rough or vocal he agrivates other dogs, the people at puppy school say the same, he acts all soft and cute and runs away when he is being chased but he always goes back for more. So i reccon it is the other dog telling him "hey stop being a little s***"

The TT wasnt growling at him more just constantly trying to stand on him, it just really looked like a dominance thing. Is that normal? I got a little bit nervous thinking hes going to squash my lil boy!

So lets hope the next puppy play with the TT goes well i will keep u posted. I think ill make a video so that you can see if you have experienced this kind of interaction.

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I wouldn't like that too much if some dog was pinning Gucci down, not that she would tolerate it..I think she would strive more for the alpha role (which might be what that was, the TT establishing the alpha role in the friendship (?))
I wasn't reading that the TT was pinning the pup down. If that's the case, I would definitely interrupt it. OTOH, if you then let the puppy go, and they go back for more, they may be enjoying themselves. Some puppies do a lot of play on their backs. You just have to make sure that the one on the bottom doesn't feel trapped, and can't get away.

That's what I was talking about… it's so hard to guess what's going on if a person who doesn't understand dog body language WELL isn't there to watch what's happening!


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