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Scroll down to Kiss or Dismiss article and video. This is a good article on how we misread dogs. Lucky for this kid the dog simply resorted to "kisses". One of many articles by Dogs and Storks or Doggone Safe that teach child/dog safety. http://dogsandstorks.blogspot.ca/201...1_archive.html

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Really disturbing that this owner has NO interest in protecting the dog's interests, and teach her young child to treat the family dog with respect. Equally disturbing that she is TOTALLY clueless about the potential danger that this baby is in. What a GREAT dog to put up with it and continue to be that gentle.


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my thoughts exactly - what a great dog - and what a - not so great mom... you can't leave a BABY that age alone with a dog - regardless of who GREAT that dog may be .... geez.......

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Wow, unbelievable! I can never get over the stupidity of some people. It was actually hard for me to watch this. That poor dog had amazing patience. The mother was so completely clueless. This is why good dogs get put down - because people who don't understand dog behavior put them in situations that they should not have to be in.
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Gibbs would have simply picked the bone up and walked away. He does it to me all the time when I want to play and he doesn't.

I will reconsider his intent when I pick him up and hold him. Just last night I picked him up and held him to my chest. He gave me a "kiss fest" on the cheek. Perhaps he wanted down, although he usually squirms when he doesn't want held.

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Gibbs would have simply picked the bone up and walked away. He does it to me all the time when I want to play and he doesn't.

I will reconsider his intent when I pick him up and hold him. Just last night I picked him up and held him to my chest. He gave me a "kiss fest" on the cheek. Perhaps he wanted down, although he usually squirms when he doesn't want held.
I think the kissing, in that instance, is because he has learned that you like it, and it has become pleasurable for both of you. that's very different from frantic licking at a stranger.

The trouble with a lot of stress signals, and I think, one of the reasons they are so hard for people to learn and interpret well, is that they are contextual. MANY of them are things that perfectly happy, content dogs do SOMETIMES "just because", but in other instances are calming signals.

Licking - is one of those things. Some people like licking, encourage it in their puppies, so it becomes something that both the dog and owner share and enjoy.

Yawning - sometimes dogs yawn because they are sleepy or because they are just waking up. Other times, in stressful situations, when you see it happen, it is a calming signal.

Lip licking - Sometimes they're just getting food off their faces, other times it is a very clear sign of stress.

Turning away - Sometimes it means "I need space", sometimes it means "What did I just see over there?"

There are many, many others.


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Dance will climb up on my chest and stand on it licking my face incessantly until I get up. 100% of the time, she either wants out to potty or her water bowl is empty. It's not affection. She acts completely different when wanting affection. The licking in the face (like that dog was doing) is for one purpose and that is to let me know she needs something.

The first time she did this was in a hotel room in the middle of the night. She woke me up standing on my chest licking my face until I woke up and took her out. She never gets up in the middle of the night at home, must have been the long traveling and schedule being disrupted. But the point is, she was doing it to deliberately communicate something important to me. I felt like that dog was doing the same thing to the toddler.

The interesting thing is, Dance can and does bark loudly also to communicate with me. But only when she can't physically get to me.


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I didn't have the sound on.

Gibbs is also not shy about what I will call "gentle" message growling. Not play growling, but go away and leave me alone growling.

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I didn't have the sound on.

Gibbs is also not shy about what I will call "gentle" message growling. Not play growling, but go away and leave me alone growling.
Yeah, and Kodi has never ONCE done "leave me alone" grumpy type growling. The only time he growls that is not play growling, is VERY SERIOUS growling when he is "resource guarding" something he shouldn't have, and he knows we're going to take it away. He'll let you take is dish away to add something to it without a peep, but HEAVEN FORBID that you catch him in the act of stealing kleenex out of the trash. THEN he does this very loud, screamy sort of growl, while giving you the evil eye. When he was younger, I would sometimes have to fish the offending item out of his mouth, and although he never bit me when I did this, I would never have let anyone else do it, because I wasn't sure he wouldn't bite under those circumstances.

Now, he knows the "drop it" command very well, and even while he's screaming at you, if you put your hand under his chin, and tell him with a firm voice to "drop it!", he'll scream for another couple of seconds, then, I swear, forcefully almost SPITS it into your hand. (He then immediately runs to the cookie jar, knowing that he has earned a reward for compliance. )

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Yeah, and Kodi has never ONCE done "leave me alone" grumpy type growling. The only time he growls that is not play growling, is VERY SERIOUS growling when he is "resource guarding" something he shouldn't have, and he knows we're going to take it away. He'll let you take is dish away to add something to it without a peep, but HEAVEN FORBID that you catch him in the act of stealing kleenex out of the trash. THEN he does this very loud, screamy sort of growl, while giving you the evil eye. When he was younger, I would sometimes have to fish the offending item out of his mouth, and although he never bit me when I did this, I would never have let anyone else do it, because I wasn't sure he wouldn't bite under those circumstances.

Now, he knows the "drop it" command very well, and even while he's screaming at you, if you put your hand under his chin, and tell him with a firm voice to "drop it!", he'll scream for another couple of seconds, then, I swear, forcefully almost SPITS it into your hand. (He then immediately runs to the cookie jar, knowing that he has earned a reward for compliance. )

They sure are funny little creatures!
too funny. Gibbs is the same way with "Drop It", although we intertwined it with "Leave It", so now "Leave It" = "Drop It". Yes, I know they're suppose to be two separate commands, but that's what happens with ill timed praise and rewards. It's not worth starting over because he seems to know that "Leave It" means either don't pick it or up or spit it out.

Anyways, we have to put our hand under his chin and look him in they eye and say "Leave It". He'll let it go and expect his treat.


Gibbs doesn't really resource guard by growling, but he will pick up his chew and walk away if he thinks I'm getting ready to disturb his chewing by petting or playing with him.

He "message" growls when I want to pick him up and he's happy where he is (to be clear, he doesn't growl simply because I want to pick him up, only if he's on his perch watching outside, or napping). I'll put my hand under his belly and he'll give me soft growl to let me know he's happy where he is. I respect his growling and will usually let him be. If I have to "ignore" the growl, I won't simply ignore it. I'll caress him and tell him "it's OK", but do what I need to do.

I always want him to know that it's OK to "speak up".

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