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Sparky, Rerun update/ breeders?

Well, I'm stumped and wondering if any other breeders have had anything like this happen?
It's been talked about on the forum but for a refresher, Leslie got a puppy from me and about went nuts with him. She also has Tori from me (a 2 year old hav) and from what Leslie says it was constant fighting and he was always trying to hump poor Tori. He was a sweet little guy before he left, but boy could I see what she was talking about when he came home. He headed for each of my dogs and tried to hump them until they told him one more time and he'd be in the dog food bowl. That lasted 2 hours and holy cow those were 2 very long hours!! Leslie's a great owner and I've even been in her home and have seen how she and Tori get along.....and it's wonderful.
He's been in his new home a while now and lives with a female hav that's older than he is (same type of situation with Leslie) and he's a mellow sweet guy that they say is pure joy to be around.
I don't get it. I haven't heard of anything like this before. Any ideas? I'm lost on this one and am trying to figure it out so it doesn't happen again down the line with another puppy.

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Perhaps an issue of pack leadership (with the humans)?
Not that Leslie did it wrong, but maybe he didn't see her as the leader and he was confused and trying to take on that role? Perhaps he sensed her worry with the dogs getting along and that was all it took...
I had a puppy (GSD) I placed with a family...he was horrible with them...biting them, she had marks and bruises...I saw him in action there. When he came back here, he didn't behave the same way, nor did he in his new home. For whatever reason, he didn't see that family as taking on the leadership role.
Just a thought...
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Sorry Jan, I can't help with your problem.

Karla, i checked out your blog and your shephards are just beautiful!! Gracie makes a nice compliment. She definately looks like the princess. )

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Jan, I've wondered about this, myself...'cause someday I hope to add another Hav to Tucker and me, here.

Is it possible that dogs have real personality preferences, and their chemistry just didn't work? Maybe Tori has a submissive streak that humans can't see, but he figured out real quick how to push the right buttons for tickin' her off....?

I'll be real anxious to read what the knowledgeable folks that have "been around the block" have to say.

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I've spent a lot of time with Leslie and Tori and I would definitely say Leslie is the boss. She keeps Tori on a tight leash, so to speak, so I don't think the pup thought he could be pack leader. I absolutely can't even begin to guess what the conflict was caused by. I'm so glad to know he is happy where he is now. You know, sometimes things just happen and we don't know why.....
Jan, I hope some breeders have a better answer that I did (didn't, lol).

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I don't have any answers - it still amazes me that our Havs can have preferences for certain Havs and dogs and not others. Must be the smell?

Anyway, I think this situation just highlights the benefits and importance of working with a supportive breeder who will take the dog back if it doesn't work out, especially if you are adding another dog to your pack. There is no way to predict the chemistry!

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Kodi and Shelby get along great with each other and most other dogs, especially other Havs. My cousin has 7 dogs - 2 Boxers, 3 Boston Terriers, a Bull Dog and a French Bull Dog. Kodi and Shelby do not like any of them. I think it has something to do with just one of the dogs, and they can not tolerate any of them. Also, when we were going to the dog park, they would pick certain dogs to play with and avoid others.

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Michele, that is so interesting. When you think about it, why wouldn't animals have preferences? I guess I was really lucky mine get along so well, especially since Vinny controls other dogs. But, he doesn't control Lulu. Weird.
Just to underscore what Jane said, what a difference a breeder with integrity and good character makes!! AND, what a brave thing Leslie did!

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Danak's little Itsy was a rescue that I happened upon and observed in her earlier home and the difference in her behavior now is beyond belief. In her case it may have been people related.
Within Rerun, it seems more like a personality clash with Tori, complete with some message that he got from her to continue with the humping even thought, CLEARLY, that is NOT what she was saying!! Body language is huge and mysterious...with all creatures .

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I will also vouch being over Leslie's house many times and spending a lot of time with Tori as well. Leslie is wonderful with Tori as if many of you remember Tori got her CGC before a year old with Leslie not even knowing what the test was at a big dog show! <BG>

Jan- what about temperament testing at 8 weeks? If you can have a stranger to the puppies do it at the right timing, I think it helps give an unbiased personality of the puppy and would help you assess the right home for the right puppy.

While I think an owner can shape many behaviors ie- I encourage Dash to run and be fast for agility, I think the 7-8 week mark really gives a breeder/future owner, a good idea of what a puppy will develop into.

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