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Blowing Coat

No, Gibbs has not started to do this, whatever it is.

Gibbs is 10.5 months and I heard this happens around 1 year, so my questions are:

1. What is it - I'm presuming an extreme form of "shedding" where he gets is adult coat.

2. What if anything do I do?

3. How long does it take?

4. How often does it happen?

5. What's the difference between the puppy coat and adult coat?

6. How does grooming change if at all?

I will google it after I post, but figured I'd ask anyway.

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No, Gibbs has not started to do this, whatever it is.

Gibbs is 10.5 months and I heard this happens around 1 year, so my questions are:

1. What is it - I'm presuming an extreme form of "shedding" where he gets is adult coat.

2. What if anything do I do?

3. How long does it take?

4. How often does it happen?

5. What's the difference between the puppy coat and adult coat?

6. How does grooming change if at all?

I will google it after I post, but figured I'd ask anyway.
1. Yes, it is when they lose their puppy coat and start growing their adult coat. I wouldn't call it "extreme" shedding… It's just that the fuzzy puppy coat has a VERY nasty habit of twisting around the new hair growing in and causing mats. …and it can happen much earlier than a year… Kodi started at about 10 months. So you're living on borrowed time!

2. Everything is VERY variable about blowing coat. Some people, especially if they keep their dogs in puppy cuts, hardly notice it. Others find it absolutely impossible to manage, and choose to get their dog cut down in self defense… even if they plan to let them grow out again afterwards. (even some people who show do this, so it's NOT the end of the world!)

For Kodi, I had to comb him out thoroughly, twice a day, with the MOST important one being just before bed. If he went to bed with a little knot, he woke up with a big mat! I also found that the cleaner I kept his coat, the less he matted, so at the worst of blowing coat, I was bathing him ever 4-5 days. I would say I was spending 30-40 minutes daily on his coat (not including baths) at the worst of it.

3. Variable, again. With Kodi it came on slowly, (with mats sprouting behind his ears first, seemingly over night) ramped up, then faded slowly. I think the worst of it was about 6 weeks.

4. Variable. Kodi blew coat 3 times that I can remember. The first was by far the worst, the second time around 15 months was much milder, and the 3rd time at almost 2 was just more hair in the comb during regular grooming.

I should add that he has also blown coat two other times following illnesses where he had to be on antibiotics. (both times clostridium) But this wasn't puppy blowing coat. Last year when he blew coat after clostridium, he lost a LOT of coat and looked like a drowned rat for a while. This time, maybe because we caught the infection more quickly, it doesn't seem that he is losing as much coat, But I'm definitely getting more hair in the comb than usual.

5. My understanding is that the coats can be QUITE different. In Kodi's case, it seems to be more a case of undercoat. He had very little undercoat as a puppy, and has a lot more now. His coat was also VERY straight compared to other Havanese puppies I see on the forum, but his adult coat has a very nice, "normal" amount of Havanese wave to it.

When he was about 1 year, he went through a phase where his head, chest and shoulders were very silky and shiny, but his body was kind of fuzzy/frizzy looking. Pam King assured me that this was just the part of his coat that had not yet changed over to the adult coat. She was right. His hair is all about the same now… silky and shiny.

6. After it being a LOT more work when they re actually BLOWING coat, I have found that Kodi's coat is MUCH easier now that he has his full adult coat. Starting around 3 years (which is when, according to the books, they should be reaching their full, adult coat, I found that if I needed too, (like if I went away for a few days) I could leave him with someone who didn't groom him at all, and still come home to a mat-free dog. Now, I STILL USUALLY groom him daily because I like him to look nice. But it takes less than 10 minutes, and I rarely find a knot unless he has gotten wet with his harness on. (especially the Curli harness)

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BTW, Googling this may or may not be helpful. MANY breeds blow coat very differently. My lab and GSD friends' dogs blow coat twice a year. LOTS and LOTS of hair needs to be "shed out" of their coats. But that's not at all the same as what happens with our guys.


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BTW, Googling this may or may not be helpful. MANY breeds blow coat very differently. My lab and GSD friends' dogs blow coat twice a year. LOTS and LOTS of hair needs to be "shed out" of their coats. But that's not at all the same as what happens with our guys.
Googling it provided less than 25% of the information you did. Thank you for you complete reply.

Dana and I are one of "those couples" that prefer a short coat,


so based on your reply, we should have it easier than most.

Thank you for answering all my questions.

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Googling it provided less than 25% of the information you did. Thank you for you complete reply.

Dana and I are one of "those couples" that prefer a short coat, so based on your reply, we should have it easier than most.

Thank you for answering all my questions.
Hey, you saw my reply in the other thread. I prefer Kodi in his pretty, long coat, but I CERTAINLY wouldn't want people to think that it's not ENTIRELY fine to choose to keep their Havanese in short coats. I don't even know many breeders who don't keep at least SOME of their adult dogs in shorter coats, at least some of the time. And I've NEVER heard of a Havanese breeder who decided who to place their puppies with based on whether they would promise to keep them in full coat!

(I had to remove your smilies, because with mine added, we broke the "ten smilie rule". Didn't even know there was one until now!)


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(I had to remove your smilies, because with mine added, we broke the "ten smilie rule". Didn't even know there was one until now!)
I learned it awhile ago, but only just learned via Jabojenny's No Power thread that quoted emoticons counted toward the limit.

I'm lobbying the site for unlimited emoticons, but was told people like me were the reason for the rule. - just kidding, I've made no such contact and was told no such thing.

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When I first got Lilly she was 18 months old and in the middle of blowing coat. I would brush and comb her at least twice a day and she would still mat. She has two different coats - the front half of her is light fine wavy silky hair and the back half of her is fine cottony frizzy hair - both of them matted like crazy. I finally decided to cut her down to a puppy cut and that helped a lot. She will be three in March and in the past couple of months I have noticed that her hair has become much easier to deal with - I can actually skip a day of brushing her without her matting up. I am almost tempted to let her grow back in and see how much trouble it would be to keep nice. If she ended up looking like Whimsy it would be worth the trouble!
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I learned it awhile ago, but only just learned via Jabojenny's No Power thread that quoted emoticons counted toward the limit.

I'm lobbying the site for unlimited emoticons, but was told people like me were the reason for the rule. - just kidding, I've made no such contact and was told no such thing.
Why am I not surprised!!!


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Leo started blowing coat in late November at about 9.5 months. I first noticed it as little knots forming in his armpits and on his chest. It was late January when the tangles, knots and mats seemed to be getting better. I have combed Leo morning and night since he came to live with me at 10.5 weeks. Pre coat blowing it would take 5-10 minutes slowly taking longer as his coat got longer. During coat blowing it would take 30-40 minutes as long as I kept him out of his collar or harness. I took him on two walks with his harness on during this period. The first time we walked about 45 minutes and it took an hour to comb out the tangles. The second time we walked for an hour and it took me 3 hours to comb out the tangles. I did find that the cleaner I kept him (a bath every 4 days with intensive conditioning) the easier it was to comb the tangles out. Post coat blowing, Leo's coat is softer, the wave is more relaxed, and the color is a bit lighter. We are back to 10 minute morning and evening comb outs. He can wear his harness and not have massive snarls in his coat. Leo has an abundant coat that is very soft, fluffy and light. It's not as dry feeling as a cottony coat nor is it the refined silk feel of a Maltese. I think the exact texture of a Havanese's coat, how well they tolerate grooming (I much prefer combing to brushing) and how consistent the owner is with grooming all factor into whether the coat will need to be trimmed down during coat blowing.


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If it makes anyone feel better, be glad you don't have an oversized sheltie that blows his coat twice a year every year. You would not believe the amount of hair that comes out of him. You can just keep brushing and brushing and the hair just keeps coming out and when you are done or he has had enough, he stands up and shakes and hair goes flying everwhere! You have to sweep everyday because there are "tumbleweeds" in every corner and you can't let him brush up against you or you will be covered in hair. Lilly's coat blowing was a piece of cake in comparison!
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