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Fussy eating, Help!

Hi everyone. This might be a stupid question but i just need a little bit of reassurance.

So Ive had Milo on kibble since ive had him, he was on Purina pro plan from the breeder and i have since changed his food twice, first to Nutro Natural Choice and just recently i have started on Orijen Six Fish. He isnt keen on any of these and hardly eats unless i put something else in his bowl like some egg, tuna or cooked chicken, then he eats everything in his bowl.

So im wandering if it is ok to add these foods to his Orijen kibble every day?( I only feed him egg once a week because i know it is very ritch.) I am not prepared to go down a complete home cooked or raw food path, so this would be the next best thing to help him eat all his dinner.

Or maybe adding some of the Ziwi canned wet to his kibble would help, would that work together?

Any other suggestions?

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Take a look at Honest Kitchen. You just add water, wait 5 minutes and serve. Or you could mix a larger batch ahead and freeze in portion sizes. Leo got introduced to some last night and couldn't stop licking his bowl after dinner and this mornings breakfast. I started with HK Embark which is turkey based.


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My guy (he's 16 months) has had the same issue since he was very little- Unless there is chicken, turkey, cheese etc.. mixed in with his kibble he will go on a hunger strike. Also, if I tried the same food mixed in for more than 3-4 days in a row he'd still boycot it! I don't know if it's "right" or not but now I just mix a small amount of whatever I cook that day into his kibble and sometimes he's more pleased than other meals of what my choice was. But that's been our routine for a while and so he's used to it now I think the Havs have a "love for the finer things" gene in their line when it comes to food
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Well, there are a couple of ways to look at this. You are letting your pups train you into being fussy by catering to them. THey will NOT starve if you put down their food, pick up whatever hasn't been eaten and make them wait for the next meal. They may miss a few meals, but they WILL eventually cave, and start to eat what is put in front of them. That's the story from a training perspective.

HOWEVER, would you be happy eating freeze dried back packing food at every meal? It might meet your nutritional needs (barely) but it would be pretty boring. Is it a surprise that they are happier when you spice it up a little for them?

Just make sure that whatever you mix into their kibble is good quality, lean protein, without a lot of salt or spices. I would stay away from canned tuna, because it contains a lot of heavy metals. They are suggesting that humans limit the amount of canned tuna they eat, and our dogs are SO much smaller!!! But pieces of lean meat from your own dinner is FINE, as are eggs. And you don't have to limit the eggs to once a week. A half and egg, scrambled, and added to their food once a day is fine. In fact, this will really improve the nutrition of your kibble diet, because most kibbles are lower in protein than is ideal for a healthy dog anyway.

DO consider Honest Kitchen, though. It's a great alternative to home cooking if you want something easier, and is SO much better nutritionally than kibble.

I'll post a new thread showing how I make Kodi's food using HK. I make it once every 3 weeks or so, and (other than freezing time) it takes me less than an hour. I'd spend more time going to the pet store for another bag of kibble!


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As I stated in another thread:
Ginger eats a mixture of Blue Wilderness, Ziwi Peak and Stella&Chewy's, with a couple of tablespoons of filtered water. Just a little more than 1/4 cup, twice/day. A few chips of Beef & Bison for a noon snack. Her weight is right where it should be. She eats her breakfast and dinner in about 1 1/2 minutes and licks the bowl for another 30 seconds. We give her probiotics 2x/wk. The chips and probiotics are from Mercola, (recommended by Dr. Becker).


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As I stated in another thread:
Ginger eats a mixture of Blue Wilderness, Ziwi Peak and Stella&Chewy's, with a couple of tablespoons of filtered water. Just a little more than 1/4 cup, twice/day. A few chips of Beef & Bison for a noon snack. Her weight is right where it should be. She eats her breakfast and dinner in about 1 1/2 minutes and licks the bowl for another 30 seconds. We give her probiotics 2x/wk. The chips and probiotics are from Mercola, (recommended by Dr. Becker).
The only thing I would change is, that I believe that to have any effect, probiotics need to be given continuously. So I think you may be wasting your money giving it a couple of times a week. Kodi gets them daily, because he works hard, sometimes in stressful environments. But lots of dogs do absolutely fine without them at all.

Did you see a recommendation from either Mercola or Dr. Becker to only use the probiotics occasionally like that?


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It was purely a trial and error decision on my part. A couple of times Ginger's stool became rather loose (no food changes), but since giving her the probiotics just 2x/wk, the issue has never reoccurred. Might just be coincidence, no way to know for sure, but we will continue as I don't want to chance the loose stool thing again.


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It was purely a trial and error decision on my part. A couple of times Ginger's stool became rather loose (no food changes), but since giving her the probiotics just 2x/wk, the issue has never reoccurred. Might just be coincidence, no way to know for sure, but we will continue as I don't want to chance the loose stool thing again.
Do some reading up on it, because I honestly don't think it's doing anything for her used that way.


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Hey Carli - This might make you feel better. my medium sized dog Oz, he's 82 lbs, anatolian. he's picky. all my dogs have only ever eaten Innova, but with the recall I had to switch to diamond, which was formulated exactly like Innova. I do from time to time add treats to the kibble, but not always.

last month, Oz didn't eat plain kibble for 3 days. YUP he starved himself for 3 days. I intentionally didn't add anything into the kibble b/c I didn't want that behavior to be reinforced. Finally his hunger got the best of him and he ate his kibble like a good dog.

as for my 1/2 hav Ollie, he holds out as long as he can for good stuff, lol, but has always been a midnight to 2am eater of kibble.


As for probiotics, and administering them, it doesn't have to be continuous. Just depends on the case, and how long it takes a new strain to establish in the GI tract. At least that's my understanding.

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Do some reading up on it, because I honestly don't think it's doing anything for her used that way.
I did lots of reading up on it, and found that daily dosing isn't always necessary!
Now mind you this quote is brand specific, and talking about humans, but IMO, would pertain to any good brand if it contains enough bacteria and to dogs as well.

"Myth #11: You need to take probiotics every day – like a multivitamin

RSP: Five years of experience with Theralac says no. Once your G.I. tract is effectively colonized you can back off to twice a week or so and save money. Everybody is different so you need to titrate yourself, meaning once you have established a good IPC (usually apparent by enhanced regularity with longer stools of less odor) you need to find a proper maintenance dose.

Our standard dose program for Theralac is one capsule daily for two weeks followed by two capsules weekly. However, some people find they can only back off to one capsule every-other-day. This is what I mean by titrating yourself.

I should add here that the one-a-day, every day recommendation came from manufacturers of low strength probiotics. High potency probiotics that deliver the minimum effective dose of 10 billion CFU or more are truly in a new world – they will save you money because you can back off on the dose once your G.I. tract is well."


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