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Feeding questions

I hope these aren't dumb questions.
We got Pumba as a four year old, so this is all new to us. We were told that he ate (a scoop which we were given - ??1/4 cup?) kibble with about a large tablespoon of canned dog food chicken on top. We can't buy the food he was on before but found similar food in Go Fit and Free and i can't remember name of the chicken (but the ingredients list is minimal and it looks and smells just like plain chicken in a bit of broth).
I was told that he was used to being fed once a day, at supper time.

He seems to be a little bit fatter than when we got him. I can feel his ribs, but they have a little layer of padding.

Is it normal to just feed once a day? What would be a reasonable amount to feed if it's only once a day? He has been trying to eat the guinea pigs' hay and kibble. does that mean he's hungry, or opportunistic?

I want to do right by him, but don't want to either over or under feed. thanks.
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I hope these aren't dumb questions.
We got Pumba as a four year old, so this is all new to us. We were told that he ate (a scoop which we were given - ??1/4 cup?) kibble with about a large tablespoon of canned dog food chicken on top. We can't buy the food he was on before but found similar food in Go Fit and Free and i can't remember name of the chicken (but the ingredients list is minimal and it looks and smells just like plain chicken in a bit of broth).
I was told that he was used to being fed once a day, at supper time.

He seems to be a little bit fatter than when we got him. I can feel his ribs, but they have a little layer of padding.

Is it normal to just feed once a day? What would be a reasonable amount to feed if it's only once a day? He has been trying to eat the guinea pigs' hay and kibble. does that mean he's hungry, or opportunistic?

I want to do right by him, but don't want to either over or under feed. thanks.
First of all, dogs are scavangers. They are ALWAYS hungry. So don't let him decide when/what/how often he should eat. I think most people with small dogs (and big dogs for that matter!) feed twice a day. Even if its the same amount of food total, they have something to look forward to. And most pet dogs don't have a tremendously stimulating life. Why take that away? OTOH, if he's doing well on once a day, I doubt it would harm him to continue with that if it really fits your schedule better.

As far as him trying to eat the guinea pig's food? Doesn't mean anyting except that dogs will eat all kinds of odd stuff, given the opportunity. Kodi's favorite "snack" is kleenex. Used ones stolen from trash cans or people's purses are better.

I doubt your scoop is 1/4c, if he is eating that plus a table spoon of canned once a say. Havs don't eat much, but that's a TINY amount… about half what most of the adult Havs on the forum are eating. Check your scoop. "coops" or even "1/4c" don't really tell you anything about the caloric content of the food you are feeding, and we also don't know whether his exercise level is the same now as it was with his previous owners. So the bottom line is, if he's gaining weight, you probably want to cut him back a bit. Lean dogs are healthier and live longer.


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thank you Karen.
Pumba thinks the box that cookies come in (or any box for that matter) is a really fun toy to shred, but he doesn't actually eat the cardboard. kleenex - hahaha...
Maybe i should ask how many calories a not particularly active Havanese should eat, rather than how much. Other than my vet's office, I really don't have anyone to ask.

the "tablespoon" of chicken is really quite a bit more than a measured tbsp. It's more like a heaping soup spoon, if that makes more sense.
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I feed my guys twice a day. They are at good weights and get about 300-325 calories in food a day. They also get treats throughout the day. The amount you are feeding is about half what my guys would get in kibble. When they ate kibble they would get 1/2 cup total a day plus boiled chicken on top.





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Kodi's favorite "snack" is kleenex. Used ones stolen from trash cans or people's purses are better.
Maccabee's favorite "snack" is also Kleenex, followed closely by paper towels, and mail. I guess he likes any paper, but prefers the softer kind. LOL. BTW, paper entwined poops are gross!

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thank you Karen.
Pumba thinks the box that cookies come in (or any box for that matter) is a really fun toy to shred, but he doesn't actually eat the cardboard. kleenex - hahaha...
Maybe i should ask how many calories a not particularly active Havanese should eat, rather than how much. Other than my vet's office, I really don't have anyone to ask.

the "tablespoon" of chicken is really quite a bit more than a measured tbsp. It's more like a heaping soup spoon, if that makes more sense.
I can't tell you exactly in calories either. Haves vary TREMEDOUSLY in terms of healthy weight, from little 8 pounders to big 16,18 pounders with a few even larger. Since (assuming the canned food is good quality) canned food is a better food source than kibble, I'd cut down a bit on the kibble at each meal. Weigh him now and weigh him in a month or 6 weeks. That should tell you if you're going in the right direction. I weigh Kodi about every 6 weeks just as standard practice. It's so easy not to notice when a little dog with a lot of hair is gaining or losing weight!


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I feed my guys twice a day. They are at good weights and get about 300-325 calories in food a day. They also get treats throughout the day. The amount you are feeding is about half what my guys would get in kibble. When they ate kibble they would get 1/2 cup total a day plus boiled chicken on top.
I'm betting she's using a half cup measure, Linda. 1/4c just sounds wrong, when she's only feeding once a day!


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Maccabee's favorite "snack" is also Kleenex, followed closely by paper towels, and mail. I guess he likes any paper, but prefers the softer kind. LOL. BTW, paper entwined poops are gross!
I took a stool sample in for Kodi once, and the tech came out and said, "No parasites… but did you know we found a paper towel in there?" I had to sheepishly admit that I wasn't totally surprised.


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I can't tell you exactly in calories either. Haves vary TREMEDOUSLY in terms of healthy weight, from little 8 pounders to big 16,18 pounders with a few even larger. Since (assuming the canned food is good quality) canned food is a better food source than kibble, I'd cut down a bit on the kibble at each meal. Weigh him now and weigh him in a month or 6 weeks. That should tell you if you're going in the right direction. I weigh Kodi about every 6 weeks just as standard practice. It's so easy not to notice when a little dog with a lot of hair is gaining or losing weight!
I'm still adjusting Maccabee's food quantity in hopes of stabilizing his weight. He jumped to 11.2 pounds while on the prescription diet, and when I was transitioning him from the prescription kibble to HK. After I eliminated the kibble completely and increased the amount of HK by a bit, he lost some weight. He was at 10.2 pounds about a month or 6 weeks ago. I thought that he looked great at 10.2 pounds, so I hoped for him to plateau right around there. I weighed him yesterday and he was 9.6 pounds. I increased the HK again -- to the recommended amount for a 10 pound dog (the pet food store owner told me he feeds his dogs slightly less than recommended and many of his customers do the same; obviously that was not enough food for Macc). Hopefully we've got it right this time.

I'm sure the weight fluctuation is due to playing with the amount of food I'm feeding him. He looks and acts very healthy. His liver symptoms are completely gone.

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I'm still adjusting Maccabee's food quantity in hopes of stabilizing his weight. He jumped to 11.2 pounds while on the prescription diet, and when I was transitioning him from the prescription kibble to HK. After I eliminated the kibble completely and increased the amount of HK by a bit, he lost some weight. He was at 10.2 pounds about a month or 6 weeks ago. I thought that he looked great at 10.2 pounds, so I hoped for him to plateau right around there. I weighed him yesterday and he was 9.6 pounds. I increased the HK again -- to the recommended amount for a 10 pound dog (the pet food store owner told me he feeds his dogs slightly less than recommended and many of his customers do the same; obviously that was not enough food for Macc). Hopefully we've got it right this time.

I'm sure the weight fluctuation is due to playing with the amount of food I'm feeding him. He looks and acts very healthy. His liver symptoms are completely gone.
I've found the change from kibble to "wet" food (first Balance-It, then HK) to be a bit of juggling too. THere is so much more volume in wet food for the same caloric value. (which, I know, is part of the reason it's so much better for them) Since Kodi goes in for chiro every 6 weeks (to keep him tuned up for the work he does) I can weigh him each time, and make small adjustments as needed. With Kibble, he ate a flat 1/4c twice a day, with HK, he eats a 1/3c "muffin", mounded as high as I can get it and have it stick together in the muffin pan. My guess is, it's probably close to 1/2c by volume.

I may have to tweak this down a LITTLE, buy I also know he tends to gain a bit in the winter, when he doesn't spend as much time running outside. So I'm reluctant to reduce it TOO much and have him get too skinny over the summer. (which has happened)


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