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In the past with my large breed dogs I always used a combination of crate training, and the umbilical cord method (keeping them tied to me at the waste so they don't have the chance to sneak off to pee and so I will see their signals right away). And of course I'd never scold a dog for an accident they did a while back, they'd have no idea why I am mad. My breeder likes puppy pads. I'm wondering if I should try them, they are new to me. I'm worried they will end up only wanting to use a puppy pad and not want to go outdoors though. Anyone have experience with this?
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Our Button is 3.5 years old and she has the re-usable (washable) pee pads. They come in handy overnight or during the day if we miss her signals. She prefers to go outside and will hold it for outside. The pads are a good backstop though.

We started her out as a puppy on the pads and had the same concern as you that she would prefer the pads to outside, but that has not proven out. She prefers outside now. As for the paper pads, our experience with them has been that they are useless. Our dogs as puppies just shred them like paper and don't seem to piddle on them.
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My experience with the washable pee pads is that dogs can't distinguish between them and bath mats or area rugs so I would caution you about that method. My Hav was trained to go outside but I also have an indoor potty system (Rascal Dog) with fake grass that Emmie uses 1-2 times a week. There are other methods that are effective too, such as a litter box or a grate system like UgoDog.

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Are adult havanese dogs not able to hold it for long? I've never had an issue with my larger dogs doing inside even if left alone 8-10 hours. Is that not the case with a havanese because of smaller bladders? I'm a stay at home mom so am home lots anyway, but just curious.
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I didn't want to use puppy pad either. So I bought human pee pads from the pharmacy. They are the ones a hospital uses on the bed. I choose them so they wouldn't have the "pee here" scent. I didn't want my Ivy looking for that smell to do her business. I only used the pads when she was in her x pen, other that that I watched her like a hawk and put her outside to go. When in her x pen she ALWAYS peed on the pad even though there was no scent to it.

She was very easy to train despite my breeder not doing any training before I got her.
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My experience with the washable pee pads is that dogs can't distinguish between them and bath mats or area rugs so I would caution you about that method.

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We were worried about that with Button but after putting our area rugs down one by one, and keeping the pee pad in it's same location, we didn't have a problem. By that time she had learned the location of the real pee pad. I guess its location, location, location.
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We were worried about that with Button but after putting our area rugs down one by one, and keeping the pee pad in it's same location, we didn't have a problem. By that time she had learned the location of the real pee pad. I guess its location, location, location.
A problem that often occurs is if your dog gets used to having a soft surface under their feet when defecating, it's not easy for them to distinguish between approved and unapproved substrates when away from home. The last thing you want is for your Hav to pee on the carpet, mats, or furniture at family and friends' houses, stores, etc.
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In the past with my large breed dogs I always used a combination of crate training, and the umbilical cord method (keeping them tied to me at the waste so they don't have the chance to sneak off to pee and so I will see their signals right away). And of course I'd never scold a dog for an accident they did a while back, they'd have no idea why I am mad. My breeder likes puppy pads. I'm wondering if I should try them, they are new to me. I'm worried they will end up only wanting to use a puppy pad and not want to go outdoors though. Anyone have experience with this?
Your method should work fine, but my breeder says that their puppy buyers who have the most problems with accidents are those who insist on outside only. My choice with Kodi was that I wanted to maintain an indoor potty solution for really foul weather here in the north east, but have him most of the time go outside. My experience, and that of almost everyone here on the forum that has used an indoor potty solution is that they very quickly and naturally learn to use the outdoors, and then soon PREFER to use the outdoors. Then, if you want to maintain an indoor option (FANTASTIC when you are on the 8th floor of a hotel at a dog show! ) you really need to WORK on maintaining their interest in the indoor option. As an adult, Kodi goes outdoors almost all the time. If the weather is REALLY bad, and you say, "Use your box," he'll look at you, sigh, and go use the box.

I don't think there is a single person on the forum who has WANTED to transition their dog to outdoors, who has had a problem with it. There are a couple of people who choose to ONLY let their dog use an indoor potty, but that is their choice, not because they couldn't train the dog to go outside. The much more common "problem" is people who get away from the indoor potty completely then wish, for one reason or another, that they hadn't.


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Are adult havanese dogs not able to hold it for long? I've never had an issue with my larger dogs doing inside even if left alone 8-10 hours. Is that not the case with a havanese because of smaller bladders? I'm a stay at home mom so am home lots anyway, but just curious.
Honestly, I don't think any dog of any size should HAVE to hold it for 8-10 hours. That would definitely be pushing it with a small breed dog. (not just Havanese) 4-6 hours doesn't seem to be a problem for Kodi. He often doesn't ask to go out more often than that, even when I'm home, and although he has his litter box available at all times, he rarely uses it if the time he's left alone is under 6 hours. …and he's is VERY rarely left alone for longer than that.


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A problem that often occurs is if your dog gets used to having a soft surface under their feet when defecating, it's not easy for them to distinguish between approved and unapproved substrates when away from home. The last thing you want is for your Hav to pee on the carpet, mats, or furniture at family and friends' houses, stores, etc.
Yes, we've had a LOT of forum members whose dogs have mistaken washable pee pads with area rugs, and it has become an on-going problem. It works for some people, but I sure wouldn't take the chance. I want the indoor potty surface to be something that smells looks and feels COMPLETELY different than anything else in the house. We can set up a litter box anywhere, and Kodi knows exactly what it's for, and wouldn't think of using anything else. We took him back to visit his breeder (who also uses litter boxes) and he marched himself right over and used one of their litter boxes.


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