So, tell me, is this a good breeder?? - Havanese Forum : Havanese Forums
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 53 (permalink) Old 04-05-2009, 07:05 PM Thread Starter
My Dogs Mom
 
mellowbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlsbad, Ca
Posts: 3,476
Submit Photo: 2
Photo Submissions 13 Times in 11 Posts
Question So, tell me, is this a good breeder??

Let's say a person has a top female with an excellent pedigree, all health testing, etc. and decides they likes the idea of having a litter every 2 years or so because they love the breed and love puppies.
This person researches and finds a top male to breed their female with (with all the good health tests, etc.)
Lo and behold a litter is born.
Is this a back yard breeder?
If so, why is this a bad thing?
I'm just curious......no it's not me or anyone I know, just hypothetical.
Carole
xxoox

Carole
Vinny, Lulu, Gabby and Richie too!


Be yourself, everyone else is taken.
mellowbo is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 53 (permalink) Old 04-05-2009, 07:14 PM
LINDA
 
lfung5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: PA
Posts: 6,496
Submit Photo: 3
Photo Submissions 36 Times in 33 Posts
The purpose of breeding is to better the breed. That's why people show. The judges make the decision if the dog is a good representation of the breed.





lfung5 is offline  
post #3 of 53 (permalink) Old 04-05-2009, 07:54 PM
Amanda
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 9,576
Submit Photo: 2
Photo Submissions 31 Times in 22 Posts
Carole- I think I am missing the part you are questioning- I just spent an hour running in circles literally. But you are saying a person is breeeding two top quality havs every 2 years? What is the problem or the red flag you are pointing at? You think they aren't breeding to better the breed?

Dora, Dasher, & Belle's Mommy
www.belledoradasher.blogspot.com

Thinking of adding a Neezer, check out this thread!
ama0722 is offline  
 
post #4 of 53 (permalink) Old 04-05-2009, 08:05 PM Thread Starter
My Dogs Mom
 
mellowbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlsbad, Ca
Posts: 3,476
Submit Photo: 2
Photo Submissions 13 Times in 11 Posts
No, sorry if my question is confusing. I'm saying if a "backyard breeder" was breeding because they just like to, but they do everything they can to "better the breed" and certainly do no wrong, is that ok?
Linda, you say showing is the only way to better the breed? Maybe that is why so many breeders show? Or for some of them is it a way to make more money and advertise?
I have certainly heard of some breeders who show AND run "puppy mills". No one on this forum though.
I guess the question is stupid, but I know what I mean, lol.
Carole

Carole
Vinny, Lulu, Gabby and Richie too!


Be yourself, everyone else is taken.

Last edited by mellowbo; 04-05-2009 at 08:49 PM.
mellowbo is offline  
post #5 of 53 (permalink) Old 04-05-2009, 08:11 PM
Amanda
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 9,576
Submit Photo: 2
Photo Submissions 31 Times in 22 Posts
hahahaha, sorry I ran Dash in circles on a mini agility course tonight and I ran a friends dog so i might be losing it. Are you saying a breeder has a dog with an excellent pedigree and does all the health testing but doesn't show the dog in conformation?

Dora, Dasher, & Belle's Mommy
www.belledoradasher.blogspot.com

Thinking of adding a Neezer, check out this thread!
ama0722 is offline  
post #6 of 53 (permalink) Old 04-05-2009, 08:16 PM
Ivy Hills Havanese
 
Jennifer Clevenger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Guilford, Indiana
Posts: 462
Submit Photo: 0
Photo Nominations 1 Time in 1 Post
One thing to keep in mind is that an AKC championship is only the begining. Sure, it is nice to have the championship but most of us who show know there are incorrect dogs who get their championship all the time. The health testing is critical. The breeder should know the standard and have an eye for it. If they don't, they shouldn't breed until they have learned it. I think there are breeders who have no idea what is a good dog. Those are the ones who we speak about being backyard breeders. The ones who don't look to the future of this great breed and do everything within their power to help instead of hurt.


Jennifer
Ivyhillshavanese.com
Jennifer Clevenger is offline  
post #7 of 53 (permalink) Old 04-05-2009, 08:23 PM
LINDA
 
lfung5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: PA
Posts: 6,496
Submit Photo: 3
Photo Submissions 36 Times in 33 Posts
So if a lot of dogs make their championship, but don't meet the standard, why show? I guess that's what Carol is asking. If the person does all the health tests, both parents are AKC, is it ok to breed but not show, if you have a good eye in conformation? I think that's what Carol is asking.





lfung5 is offline  
post #8 of 53 (permalink) Old 04-05-2009, 08:24 PM
LINDA
 
lfung5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: PA
Posts: 6,496
Submit Photo: 3
Photo Submissions 36 Times in 33 Posts
I should have said, a good breeder will also show in addition to all the required health testing.





lfung5 is offline  
post #9 of 53 (permalink) Old 04-05-2009, 08:47 PM Thread Starter
My Dogs Mom
 
mellowbo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Carlsbad, Ca
Posts: 3,476
Submit Photo: 2
Photo Submissions 13 Times in 11 Posts
I guess that's it. Does a breeder have to show in order to be considered a good breeder if they do all their homework and do "it right".? In a way isn't that what most consider a back yard breeder?
Trust me, this isn't a real important question, just hypothetical. Like if Linda or Amanda wanted to breed and were extremely conciencious (sp) wouldn't they be considered a good breeder regardless of showing?

Carole
Vinny, Lulu, Gabby and Richie too!


Be yourself, everyone else is taken.
mellowbo is offline  
post #10 of 53 (permalink) Old 04-05-2009, 08:59 PM
Amanda
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 9,576
Submit Photo: 2
Photo Submissions 31 Times in 22 Posts
Carole- I know what you are asking now. I will just share my personal thoughts I also would think why don't they show. I don't think showing is everything but how does one evaluate the dogs and let's be honest, we can all be very biased about our own dogs.

I do know someone with a working breed who doesn't show her dogs in conformation. To be honest, she has tried and her dogs have never gotten a major that I know of. They are VERY different from the dogs in the ring and stick out like a sore thumb. Her dogs have wonderful ability and structure, health testing, however, they are used to herd and she doesn't think the dogs in the breed ring could do it. But she has a breed that historically is bred based on ability. I honestly don't think of her as a BYB but I think she has unique circumstances.

I also know a few breeders that breed to breed in more of the sense you are talking about- they love the dogs and they love having puppies, etc. I will be honest and say in the two cases I am thinking about... what I don't like I think they either lie to themselves, ignore things, or don't see things. One is not a hav breeder but I can look at this dog and tell you with its dip in its back and the way it gaits, it shouldn't be bred. However it is an unusual color for the breed and has a great personality. While she has passed her breed required health testing, she is young. By the way she walks... I wouldn't be shocked if her pups have health problems.

Just some thoughts from the two I can think of- DEFINITELY not saying all breeders are that way etc.

Dora, Dasher, & Belle's Mommy
www.belledoradasher.blogspot.com

Thinking of adding a Neezer, check out this thread!
ama0722 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Havanese Forum : Havanese Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome