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post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old 04-07-2009, 03:06 PM Thread Starter
 
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Early Spay/Neuter - Proper Growth?

I of course am still doing a lot of reading and surfing the net on any issues connected with doggie care that come up.

I am doing more reading on the subject of spaying and neutering before growth plates have closed, before a dog has reached physical maturity in terms of their bone growth and physical development. I'm running across quite a few articles and discussions from vets, pet owners and breeders that spaying neutering before 12-18 months can be detrimental in terms of bone growth (because the hormones affect that), as well as certain cancers and heart disease, possibly even some behavioral issues. I'm aware of the mammary tumor issue with later spays, but I'm wondering if that is less of a problem if the dog is on a very healthy diet and is still spayed before her second heat, and maybe that is not enough of a reason... ? I should say that it's a discussion taking place mostly regarding the larger breeds like goldens and labs because of their tendency toward things like hip dysplasia, but apparently can be an issue in any breed. I have to say.... it makes sense to me, that the sex hormones are important for growth and development. They are in humans, right?

I spayed my yorkie at 4 months, my breeder is recommending by 6 months for my new puppy, and I'm pretty sure I would void the contract if I waited longer, so it's probably not even an option to wait.

Just trying to educate myself and wondering if anyone else knows about this, particularly the breeders here and medical people (AKA Maryam!)
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post #2 of 33 (permalink) Old 04-07-2009, 04:27 PM
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I just had this discussion with our vet about Murphy as the rescue mom wanted him neutered immediately, I wanted to wait until 6 months. After she spoke with our vet she agreed to let us adopt him as long as we do have him neutered around 6 months. The vet told me she doesn't like to do it before 6 months because it interferes with their hormones which affects growth and can slightly alter their appearance. We're going to do it at 6 months as we did with Scooter.

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Ohhhh....good topic. I have Bentley scheduled for slightly less than 5 months for neutering and I am worried he is too young. They said no, as long as his testicles were descended, so I will be following this post closely.

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I would love to hear from some of the breeders on the forum to see what their opinion is.

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When I got my second Hav, there was some talk about early spay and neuter being bad. I had to neuter fred at 6 month, it was in the contract. I waited to do Scuds, because I was showing him. He was neutered at about a year.

If you can wait, I don't think it would hurt.





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Thanks Ann, good to know. What I have been reading on this topic (so far) is around the issue of them being completely grown first, which I don't think happens as early as 6 months. So, still not sure what to think. I will talk to my vet about it when I take her for her first visit, but waiting past 6 months may not be an option, regardless.

Seems like there are bound to be some consequences by removing hormone-producing organs during a growth stage, though I guess the bigger worry in most people's minds is over-population of unwanted animals, and so even if there's knowledge that it might not be optimal to spay and neuter before their growth is complete, it's done anyway as the lesser of two evils, so to speak.
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btw, I think it varies from breeder to breeder, what they recommend. My breeder works for a vet, and so probably would follow his recommendations. On the flip side I visited a breeder last year who I felt was equally responsible and seasoned, and they recommended having the puppy go through one heat cycle first. So, it's all very confusing to say the least, and not something I thought about or researched with my last dog. I'm on information overload right now....
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If you'll be taking her to any classes or daycare they may require that she's spayed.

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I've always wondered this! I got my first Papillon, Gizmo & had him neutered at 3 to 4 months. He has a dantier bone structure than my 2nd Pap, Yoshi. Yoshi was neutered at 11 months. He's more muscular and sturdy.

Ok, this is goin to to sound crazy but bear with me LOL
Does neutering affect wang size? Gizmo's you can barely tell he has a wang but Yoshi just hangs there... Growth stunt?

I thought Yoshi was supposed to be smaller than Gizmo but he turned out to be the same height and a bit heavier. They're rather leggy for Papillons..

sorry for the Non-Havs..
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LOL Danielle! I don't have an answer for you but your post made me laugh!

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