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What do you all think of designations besides AKC...like ACA and APRI...

or what's the american rare breed one? Anyway...I thought I'd run it by you all.
Does AKC matter for health as well as show? Like if you just want a pet do breeders with different designations do health tests too? Does not having AKC make them not legit? Just trying to figure it all out. Thanks...
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lots of people viewing but not responding...anyone?

I saw a dog that is sooo cute but not AKC so wanted opinions.
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Trish, I hope you get many answers on this one. Just because a dog is registered AKC or someone is selling "AKC" puppies doesn't mean they do any health testing at all. You want to see that they are doing the recommended health tests on the dogs they are breeding. Also you want to see that they are activly showing their dogs for conformation. Is the dog you saw a puppy? 99% of all puppies are beautiful!! Are the parents of the pup beautiful? Are the parents health tested? Just ask the breeder. Then go to the OFA website and verify the test results yourself. Remember, that just because the breeder tells you they are tested, it doesn't mean they passed.

Breeder registries? Somebody stop me if I'm wrong here--I was told that APRI, ACA...several new registries are available to anyone who has the entry fee. If anyone can join...then it's really just a title and makes a new sales tool for less than optimal breeders to jack up the price on the un-wary.
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I can not think of a single good reason to avoid the AKC registry for Havanese. Most do the other registries because they are not eligible. Anyone can start their own registry.

Being registered by AKC has nothing to do with a puppy or it's parents being health tested or even what the health history of it's ancestors are.

AKC is really a collection of the national breed associations for all the breeds. They have their own rules that the breed clubs have to comply to but all the important desisions within any breed are up the the National Parent Club.

The Havanese national club is the Havanese Club of America.

The HCA is one of the MOST(if not THE most) proactive parent clubs for health testing that exists. Anyone who badmouths the HCA has some personal agenda going and I'd walk away without looking back.

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To add to what Tom was saying, the AKC is the ONLY registry that makes sure you are getting a purebreed dog.

Tom is right about the HCA being one of a few that have stressed health testing. For example, on the Yorkie national web site you won't see any information regarding health testing, yet Yorkie's are a breed that has liver shunts very badly.
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I'm confused...would a dog have HCA registration?

or if they have AKC they belong to HCA? Thanks so much.

The list I received from the havanese.org email has very few breeders near me. But I have seen other breeders who claim AKC and health testing.

I did email someone about testing and she replied "the puppies are too young for the testing you're asking about". I emailed her back and said "I meant the parents." She has not replied yet. This was an ACA or APRI not AKC.

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So summary...not having AKC is 'red flag' but having AKC doesn't mean they're health tested, so check that as well?

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I think I am correct by saying that a dog, or litter, gets and AKC registration. The owner can join the HCA, but doesn't register the dog with HCA.

As far as the other registries go, I think they are like renegade groups. They don't like the tight restrictions in the AKC, so they form their own group that doesn't police them. These other groups don't care if testing is done, etc.


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Trish,
Michele is right, you dont register your dog with HCA, but owners or breeders are members. I don't see why someone would not register either, its not hard to do.

On another note, if thats all the e-mail said when you inquired about health testing, I would run and run fast. Its ok to say they are too young, it should have been followed with "when they are this age, they will have this and this done and I recommend the following testing in the future. " You should not have to beg for information like this from Breeders. Most I know not only volunteer it, they insist you know what health testing they are doing on puppies and parents. That combined with the lack of AKC, I would not do it.

Its not always important to find a breeder very close to you, but one who is good. Even if you have to drive all day and pick it up. JUST my opinion, I would choose a dog that is AKC and find out all health testing done. In another thread Tom put the link to Beth Johnson who is close to you, you should check her out also.

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I ran....I was just 'fishing' anyway but it gave me good

insight. Thanks guys.

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Just found this on a reputable breeder's site...

Q: I have a chance to buy a puppy with CKC (Continental Kennel Club and/or APR (Animal Purebred Registery) papers, but not AKC papers. Is this OK? A: CKC registration and APR registration (and a few others) are bogus registrations. These registration organizations are basically ones that could not meet the AKC standards. In essence, if you're buying a Havanese Puppy with only CKC or APR 'papers' you might as well be buying a mutt. CKC and APR registrations are usually made up and many times the sire and dam or grandparents of your puppy are not even related to who they say they are, and very possibly they are not purebred Havanese. If you buy a puppy without AKC registration papers, make sure the price reflects that significantly and have these dogs spayed and neutered.

Well that answered my question.

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