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Question another bone question

I've been reading so so so much about bones, that I'm all mixed up. I recently decided to start giving my havies raw bones. Something in all these years I've never even considered, just thought it was gross, and actually I was raised being taught never to give dogs bones, it's not safe. But I'm so tired of not having something that last and is safe, and the expense. I think I've done everything on the market, that after much research I felt was safe. Now after years of frustration, I'm going to try the old fashioned route, hoping that after all, maybe it's best. But I'm confusd what to get them. There's a meat market down the road. I just called them and asked them what they have to offer. They have assortments of knuckle bones and neckbones. From what I've been able to understand, these would be safe, knuckle bones lasting long term, and I think I'm understanding that they kinda eat the neck bones. But it's been my understanding that they are to be feed raw, that cooked makes them splinter. This meat market says their bones are smoked. Is that safe? Is that like raw? Smoked kinda sounds to me like it would mean like baked. I don't know, this is totally new to me. But my question is, if a few people would chime in please, is smoked ok, safe and non-splintering? Or would it be better if I asked if I could just get their bones raw, which I don't even know if they would sell that way.

As far as the expense, I've been under the impression that this is also an inexpnsive route to go, rather than always buying these expensive chews for our dogs. I think they said they are 2.99 a lb. I have no idea how many bones I would get for that, or if that price is in line. I'm in the upper mid west of the country. I have several havies of different ages that I need to keep in bones. I think I've learned from all this reading that I should get bones that are a bit to large for them, so they have to knaw on them, rather than be able to get them to their back teeth and bite down on them and could break teeth. A couple of mine are aggresssive chewers. And that I shouldn't get the round marrow bones, because they could get them locked around their bottom jaw. But this market isn't selling these anyways.

I'm focused on the knuckle bones right now, since that's what they have, and undecided about neck bones. I don't know how safe these really are. Don't they actually chew these up and eat them? So it would also be more like a treat than a lasting chew bone? Any input please?

They also said they have pig ears for dogs down there. I didn't really question them about them, because it wansn't my interest at the time. But I don't know if they mean the kind you buy at the pet stores, or something raw? Which sounds mushie, germie, stinkie and just plain nasty. Can any of you folks tell me what they meant, and if that would be ok or a good idea for them?

Sorry for the long post, and about someting there is so much info about already, but it's just new and confusing to me. And I don't trust a butcher enough who just wants to sell "all his garbage" to count on them for what's safe for my dogs. I think my most important question right now is what about these smoked bones they have. Are this safe? Thank you for any input.

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Consider moose antler blade slices from Acadia Antlers: http://acadiaantlers.com

There safe and most dogs love them. Kode especially likes the flavored ones. These are boiled in the flavoring which, as a side effect, makes them a bit softer and easier to chew. They still last a LONG time.


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I give Rory an assortment of RAW bones and other chews such as antlers, and Himalayan yak cheese. It's been my personal experience via my dogs that the knuckle bone with cartilage is the least desirable, and the marrow bone the most desirable.

Some owners feed chicken and duck necks, and even turkey necks. It scared me the first time, but there's been no problem at all.

In many grocery stores marrow bones are available in the freezer section as some people use them for soup. In my area they come in a 4-pack for about $3.49 and I keep them frozen until use. I give Rory hers frozen.

I read with interest Karen's link to Acadia. The antlers available here are not flavored and tend not to hold Rory's interest like the flavored ones they offer might.

Good for you for doing your research. The smoked bones would scare me for fear they would be splinter-prone. I personally believe raw bones are beneficial to dental health. I can always tell a dog that doesn't get them by seeing their teeth.

Karen, does Kodi have a favorite flavor?
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I give Sheldon raw marrow bones. I'm able to by lamb marrow bones at my pet food source, which are great because they are narrower so he doesn't get too much rich marrow at once.
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Good for you for doing your research. The smoked bones would scare me for fear they would be splinter-prone. I personally believe raw bones are beneficial to dental health. I can always tell a dog that doesn't get them by seeing their teeth.

Karen, does Kodi have a favorite flavor?
He seems to like them all… I get a "subscription", where they send you their "flavor of the month" for 3 months. Since you get 3 slices each time, with a Havanese, this lasts a L-O-N-G time. So then I let my subscription expire until we start running low.

They all LOOK the same, and I can't really smell any difference, so I'm not sure which he likes better. He does chew on some more than others, though. I think the biggest thing is that, because they've been boiled, they aren't as darned HARD as elk and deer antlers. They can actually make some progress on them (albeit slowly!) so they aren;t as frustrating. They also aren't as likely to chip teeth on them.

Here's a relatively unchewed one, and one that Kodi has been working on for a couple of months. When they get too small, obviously I take them away.
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raw knuckle bones not marrow

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Marrow bones - like the kind for soup in the market - can wear down the dog's teeth. I gave them to my other dog all of the time and some of his teeth are worn down. That being said, the vet says his teeth look great for his age - just worn down. I stopped giving him the bones. It was tough, I should have sent him to rehab. he was quite depressed. I dont give my hav marrow bones but I did get some natural chews at the holistic vet today. Tartar shield is the brand. We'll see how those go.
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thank you all for your repsonses. I have some further questions because I really want to get this right and safe.

@DAVE are you saying not to give marrow bones, which seems SJ is confirming, but knuckle bone is ok? And are you saying only knuckle bones? And does raw, mean truely raw, fresh raw, not the smoked like the butcher said he has? I wasn't sure yet at the time, so I went ahead and got the smoked, but was still worried, so I haven't given them yet. I wonder if the butcher will exchange (it was 20.00for 4)them for raw, and if he'll sell raw. Seems like it would be easier for him. I didn't get any neck bones. those concern me, and don't seem like they'd suite my purpose. I don't want a treat; I want a lasting chew around the house whenever they want.

They love the himalay. chews. but they too go to fast, and have to be limited how much they can have at once.

The antler's I did get, from arcadia, about 9 months ago, but never gave them, as they seemed like marble, and I was worried about the broken teeth issue, especially since I have a couple very aggressive chewers. I have several dogs, and a couple didn't take any interest. Maybe floavored ones would be ok. I don't know how boiling them could make them softer? Or soft enough. I wonder if I could boil the regular ones I have, and then they'd be ok? But how long boiling? I don't know. Any thoughts on that?
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con't about the bones

ok, sorry, here goes some more. I just want them safe. I just don't get this simple bone issue. Since I had someone else pick up the bones at the butcher I spoke to last week, and was told they were smoked, which concerned me, so I hadn't used them or even looked at them. I just did today. And these are definetly raw and terribly messy! And huge! To huge for our little havies. I had told him to pick out a few sizes for a toy dog, but a bit to large to get in their mouths to the back teeth and damage them. What I have here is for a st. bernard or huge junkyard guard dog. Huge! About 6-7 inches rounded heavy blobs. No wonder they were 20.00. Now useless to me. So I asked the butcher about cutting them, no, then they'd be sharp edges. Thankfully he told me that. So I asked for small knuckle bones, and he said, doesn't happen, cows are big. Well, I thought, calf bones,....He said he'd have to special order and by the case. I don't know yet how many that would be or how much $. So...How and where are you folks, who give knuckle bones, getting them?

He offered some pipe bones. I don't know what that is, he said a long bone about 8", but he could cut them in half, 4". So I said Ok. I don't really know what I'm getting,(I have to send someone else right now to pick this stuff up for me because I've been very sick for awhile now) I think raw, but otherwise whether safe and ok, I don't know. I need some help here. I don't know how to get what I want, and even exactly what I should want. Where are the little knuckle bones? Maybe another butcher where I don't have to order a case load of something I don't know is going to work out or not? But, he's really the only one around.
Thanks folks for any guidance in keeping my havs safe.

Karen, thanks for the pics of cody's antlers, that's kinda what I have, the slices, a pile of them! I think I got aobut 7-8, but they're like marble.

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Raw bones are the best thing you can provide for your dog's oral health, but some are more
problematic than others.
You can save quite a bit of money by buying bones from your local grocery store or butcher as
well. Turkey and chicken necks, chicken wings and leg quarters, beef, lamb and pork neck bones
or ribs, lamb and veal shanks and oxtails are all suitable options. These are more or less
consumable, depending on how aggressive of a chewer a dog is.
You can also give recreational bones that are not fully consumable, for example beef or sheep
knuckle bones, but please do not give the tube shaped or sliced middle parts, “marrow bones”
that have the knuckles already removed, like those sold at grocery stores:
The fact that these bones are weight bearing affects the texture of the bone, and the older the
source animal is, the longer and heavier the weight compressing the bone matrix. I'm sure you
have heard of this before when learning that broken bones in young humans and animals heal
much faster than in adults, so it's not exaggerated when I'm telling you that these center parts of
marrow bones are the hardest, most durable bones in the body.
Extremely hard bones like that wear down the teeth and can easily cause slab fractures. An
added problem with sliced, “o-shaped” marrow bones is that they can get stuck in the jaw very
easily. There are much better, safer options available, and the joint knuckles of these large bones
are a great example.
Even wild wolves and African wild dogs (two species who hunt and kill large prey animals) were
observed to only chew off the ends of these bones[1] - their teeth guarantee their survival and
broken ones put them at a disadvantage."
[1] Source: "Raw Meaty Bones Promote Health", Tom Lonsdale, DMV: pp 324 and 325

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