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Any owners of both Maltese and Havanese?

Hi. I think there are a few owners on this forum who have both maltese and havanese? Would you be able to give me some advice on choosing between the breeds?

In terms of size the maltese is perfect for me. I live in London, UK and don't drive, so a small/light dog I can pick up and easily take on buses, tubes and trains is ideal. Also, I live in a very small apartment. (Which does have direct access to a big garden though).

However, in terms of personality, I'm thinking the Havanese might be better suited to my lifestyle. Barking/whining is my major worry. Hyperactivity/boisterousness is my second worry.

In an ideal world, I'd love a calm, self-assured small dog that isn't fazed by the hussle and bustle of city life.

I'm really worried that a Maltese (or indeed a Havanese) will make too much noise for me to work from home/be on the telephone - and annoy my neighbours.

And I'm worried that the Havanese will be too big to sit on my lap whilst on public transport. London transport can get very overcrowded!

Oh, and I have a cat.

Any comments would be gratefully received.
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I don't have a Maltese, but I know people who do, and from my experience, a Havanese would better suit your needs. They are a little 'sturdier' than Maltese--and have a certain amout of braveness that I think would fit in better with your lifestyle. Of course much of this is the personality of the individual dog, but as a whole Havs are not barkers (and I've found this to be true in my experience... Baxter is not noisy at ALL. He barks occassionally when he hears a noise to alert me, --- just a couple of times and quiets immediately when I acknowledge him.) He's a brave little guy, not skiddish around new people, places, etc. We live next to huge dogs and he isn't the least bit intimidated (I think he 'thinks' he's a big dog.... even though he's just 8 lbs.) Baxter is quite small---he is almost 10 months old and is 8 lbs--- The vet believes he is pretty much full grown. He is quite portable. You should be able to get a general idea from your breeder how large the dog will get, if you are looking for a hav on the smaller side. Baxter was 7 months when we got him, so we pretty much knew he'd be small right off the bat.
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I have both-1 maltese, 2 havanese . I got my first dog- my maltese Belle cause I lived in an apartment and traveled a lot. She is perfect for that and loves going into a traveling bag (she knows it means bye bye). Belle weighs between 4.4 and 5.2lbs in her adult life so is very easy on the shoulder. I actually got Belle from a breeder who used the same stud as my friend and she has a calm lap dog maltese and I wanted he dog. Well, there was something else in the plans and I thought the little white peanut that was beating up the other puppy was adorable. To this day, I have a pistol Belle barks when she is happy, sad, having fun, mad, etc. On that note, I have known some very calm maltese though. But in Europe, they often referred to as the maltese terrier (or terror!) After having Belle as a first dog, I do absolutely love a dog with a lot of personality, somedays I just wish it wasn't my dog She is now going on 7 and hasn't calmed down. She still likes to chase after the birds, play hard, but she is the world's best therapy dog too. She can sit on laps for hours.

My Havs- one hardly ever barks and one is more vocal in nature. If Dora barks, something is wrong. Dash can be vocal but he is vocal when he gets hyper and we do agility which encourages it, he barks at other dogs to get them to play, etc. I find it adorable that he uses his voice. Ironically, Dash is the dog if you tell him enough, he is the first to get quiet. When we stay in hotels, etc the slamming of doors never spokes him. Dora on the other hand goes into guard dog Dora. Dasher is a tad under 10lbs and Dora is 12lbs and could probably lose a pound and get back to her girlish figure. They are both relative lap dogs to some other havs but I do find them a lot heavier to put in a bag and take on the go, they are about double Belle's size.

So maybe you should think of how often will you be traveling with them? There are the bags on wheels if they are too heavy on your shoulders or backpacks, Maybe I have a bigger lap than you but they both fit on the laps relatively easy. Any dog can be smashed when it gets busy. I took Belle a few times in LA on the Metro and I just tucked her between me and the seat (she lives for visiting with people so I hide her from them cause eye contact gets her going).

But my best recommendation, which ever breed you decide, I would really say go meet the parents, see how they are in personality. Belle's dad was calm but her mom was a barker, hence the personality I got. We joke her and her cousin the only thing they have in common is they are both white. Belle was a terrorist to her from the moment she met her especially with her being that submissive. I met Dasher's parents and his mom loved to be on your lap and his half brother talked to me quiet a bit. Personality is very much inherited and I think that might help you find your perfect furchild.

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I have two Havanese and my neighbor has a Maltese. I love all 3 of them and almost got a Hav/Maltese mix as a rescue before our second Hav. I don't have anything to offer but I do agree with Amanda, go visit and meet the dogs! One puppy I thought was so cute we were warned about, at 7 weeks he could get out of any crate the breeder put him in. Needless to say, we didn't get him! You'll get lots of info on the temperament of the dogs from the breeder so I'd ask them.
Good luck with your search! Keep us posted!!!

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Many thanks for your comments - they have been most helpful. I've just weighed my cat - he's 11lbs - and is small for a male of his breed. With the help of your three's weights Amanda, that helped put things into perspective!! I've also enjoyed watching your furbabies on your blog. And as cute as Belle is, it's Dora and Dasher I'm most drawn to. I think I might find a Maltese just too tiny.

All I need now is to actually meet some Havanese! There are only about 6 breeders in the whole of the country, here in the UK. So I'm unlikely to bump into one on the streets of London. Do you know if there are any UK forum members?

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Hi Laura,
It sounds as if you've made up your mind but I felt compelled to add my two cents
I have a Maltese, which weighs 7 lbs, and 2 Havs that weigh 9 lbs and 14 lbs. My best friends Hav weighs 16 lbs. so you see there can be a big difference.

I think you're right going with a Hav though for your situation from what I've seen and heard.
My Maltese is MUCH more active than any of my Havs and a much bigger barker.
The advice of finding a breeder who can give you an idea what kind of weights they expect from their puppies is great.
We do have some active European members and they might have more information about breeders close to you.
Good luck and please feel free to hang around while you search for your puppy!

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Thank you Beverly. I've been in contact with the only breeder in the UK who breeds both Havanese and Maltese. She thinks Maltese may well be the best breed for me and did say Havanese have been known to be a tad more snappy (I thought it was the other way around)!? However, she has a new litter of malts - so I'm thinking she may understandably be a little biased at the moment - and I did say portabability was an issue.

I probably just need to meet dogs of both breeds and see which way I'm inclined. Then find a good breeder to help match puppy temparament to my needs. Perhaps especially important if a maltese. A hyperactive dog that barks a lot wouldn't be right for me. My cat was the most vocal, confident and manic of the litter and he stressed me out as a kitten! It was difficult to be on the phone to clients with all the noise in the background, and the distracting swish of kitten with a death wish flying through the air!

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My husband works from home often and takes Scooter into his office with him. He either lays in his little bed and chews on a toy or in DH's lap! Never makes a sound...but they're in the basement so he isn't looking out the front door or seeing stuff to bark at.

He's usually very quiet and just follows us around. Now that we have 2 they have their wild play times which can get loud but otherwise they're happily chewing toys, playing or sleeping.

These are wonderful companions and we're taking them more and more places with us!

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Laura,

I would have to say I'd be very leery of a breeder of Havanese that said they can be "snappy." I'm sure it could be true about a line of dogs with bad temperaments or that have been abused or not socialized, but that would be true of any breed. That is definitely NOT a characteristic of the Havanese!

And, for barking...Tucker barks about an average of once a month.

Good luck finding some good dogs to consider and compare. Can you get to any shows? And, also, you might post a new thread that will catch English eyes, like "Breeders of Havs and Maltese in/close to England?" I know there are a couple of members in Sweden, and at least one in France.

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Definitely meet some Havs before you make up your mind. I have yet to meet one I haven't loved, they are the most engaging little dogs. Less portable if they are larger, yes, but I couldn't even consider another breed once I met a few. (And I have met some very nice Maltese.) There is something different about Havs than the other toy breeds, it's hard to explain, but if you meet some well bred Havs with nice temperaments, you'll know what I mean. I had a yorkie for 15 years and she was not a big barker, but that was only because of my training. Otherwise, if you let her go, she did love the sound of her own voice. I feel like Yorkies and Maltese are kind of similar that way. Most of the Havs just seem a lot quieter, even when playing, so I would think that would be better for neighbors in an apartment situation.

When I first started looking at this breed, I went to see some dogs that were in the 9lb range as adults. The puppy I chose will probably be 13-15lb, which for me is perfect, since even though the 9-pounders were sturdier than my yorkie (not as fine boned), and I would have been happy with that size as well had I chosen a breeder who typically had smaller puppies, I wanted a slightly larger dog this time. She won't be as easy to carry, I doubt I'll be routinely taking her out in a carrier, but even my yorkie (at 7-8klb at her heaviest) could tire out my arm after awhile. You could take something of similar weight in a bag with you when you're out and about - try a 5lb dumbell, 8lb, 10lb, or some wrapped canned food or something that you know the weight of to get an idea what it feels like to carry various weights around all day. You might find that even the lighter weights are tiresome after awhile. (Can you tell I'm rooting for you to get a Hav? )

Good luck! I'm sure whatever you decide on, you'll love your new puppy.
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