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This is a new one to me. Have you ever heard of growling at your dog to get them to stop a bad behavior? I talked to a dog trainer the other day about some issues with Jammies. She said that Jammies thinks she is the Alpha dog at our house (gee, how did that happen to my "baby"). She suggested that if Jammies is doing a behavior that she shouldn't be doing, to say no and growl at her in a deep growl to let her know I am the Alpha dog. Well, let me tell you, it works! This morning I was in bed and she started digging at the covers and I growled and she stopped. She decided a bit later, she would go under the covers, I growled and she came flying out from under the covers. It is so funny. And, the way she looks at me...it's like "mamma, I thought I was a people, not a dog!"
Some of you probably already know about this, but there is so much I have to learn and I just wanted to share this with you!
I don't want to be the Alpha dog...I want to be Jammies' mamma!
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Hey, I'll try anything. Thanks for the suggestion.

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Yes, I have heard of growling back at your dog. Paco used to put everything in his mouth and would then refuse to give it up. I took to saying "leave it" in a growling voice while starring him directly in the eyes. He would immediately open his mouth and surrender the goods. He is older now, but on occasion gets something he shouldn't have. My growl still does the trick!!

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Yup- I am a growler! But hubby is the best growler ever- We are def pack leaders....lol


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Growling at your dog is not a good idea. Your dog will learn to dislike you and fear you. The Alpha theory is no longer recognized by most knowledgeable dog professionals and behaviorists. Here is one article about this . If you want more you can email me. http://dogpublic.com/articles/articl...id=14&pid=1640

Doing this sort of thing may get your dog to stop an unwanted behavior but quite often you can ruin their trust in you with methods like this. And sometimes they do it simply out of fear . Not the best way to train a dog. They should want to do it. Eventually they simply do things out of what is called learned helplessness.

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Dave I do the growling thing and I also ask Posh to trust me and do things in agility that she "should" balk at. So, I actually have to disagree with you. I do admire your philosophy I just think you really have to be consistent no matter which route you go in your training and find what works for you.

I am, from observation and my own experience following the ideas of respect and alpha confidence/leader behavior. I take on all of Posh's fears because of this confidence, and I have the most confident little dog. Really with the wrong person I think she could have turned into a little monster, but we are a good team. I do growl when she does dominant things and she doesn't cower she just starts making better choices-like stopping her bark, and going through all of her "tricks" as rapidly as she can.

Unfortunately, there are so many people that consider their dogs to be human and do all kinds of weird things that eventually make their dogs annoying, out of control, and sometimes dangerous. Then, typically these people make excuses for their "baby" that it's just the way they are, that it's their unique little quirks, these bad habits which make them uniquely their beloved Rover.

I think I remember Dale explaining that she had a dog that treated her like a bone vs. the leader. I want to be my dog's main bitch, not her main bone.
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This is a new one to me. Have you ever heard of growling at your dog to get them to stop a bad behavior? I talked to a dog trainer the other day about some issues with Jammies. She said that Jammies thinks she is the Alpha dog at our house (gee, how did that happen to my "baby"). She suggested that if Jammies is doing a behavior that she shouldn't be doing, to say no and growl at her in a deep growl to let her know I am the Alpha dog. Well, let me tell you, it works! This morning I was in bed and she started digging at the covers and I growled and she stopped. She decided a bit later, she would go under the covers, I growled and she came flying out from under the covers. It is so funny. And, the way she looks at me...it's like "mamma, I thought I was a people, not a dog!"
Some of you probably already know about this, but there is so much I have to learn and I just wanted to share this with you!
I don't want to be the Alpha dog...I want to be Jammies' mamma!
When Tugger has done something really bad I usually say no in a growly voice and he seems to respond to it too.
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Amy ,all I am saying is that growling at your dog in an intimidating fashion is not going to gain it's trust in you. Your dog does things well BECAUSE it trusts you. But dogs are not trying to dominate us. Dogs simple do things that get them what they want. Here is another good article that can say it better than I can. http://www.ipdta.org/#The_Dominance_Theory

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Dave...I read both of the articles and I can see that the trainer that I spoke to is definitely training the old way. I did notice a difference in Jammies interaction with me today after I did the growling, as I did it on a couple occasions after this morning. We took a nap this afternoon and I really had to call her to come up to me. I do NOT want her to be afraid at me. I need to find a trainer in my area who trains the way that you do!
I've decided to stop growling at her and gain her trust back.
I have so much to learn about raising a puppy the right way. We have had 2 shelties and they both were easier to train than what Jammies has been.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
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I thought it was supposed to be more like a bark with a "no" in there.

Like a combination, loud: "No-oof"
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