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hopefully the new diplomacy between the U.S. and Cuba will bring some meaningful improvements to the U.S. and the country that brought us this wonderful breed of dogs. Ricky what do you say. ?

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!Estoy muy contento con este desarrollo! Quiero visitar la tierra de mis ancestros. Viva Estados Unidos! Viva Cuba! Sorry, I get a little carried away about my historical country. I would like for a contingent of us US born Havanese to visit Cuba in the future in a group as a goodwill gesture. I would like to play with some of my long lost cousin doggies.

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I'm curious how today's announcement might impact Havanese. Will U.S. breeders go to Cuba to augment their breeding programs? And do we know much about Cuban-born Havanese vs U.S-born Havs; how are they different?

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There is already a lot known about the Cuban dogs. Canada, and other countries have been accepting them into their registries, even though the US hasn't. Some of the oldest, long time Cuban breeders have been in the US with their dogs for some time now.

There has been, for along time, Cuban dogs mixed into the American gene pool. Since Canada accepts Cuban dogs, and AKC accepts Canadian dogs, some have come in that way.

Genetic research showed that American Havanese only share 3 out of the 78 Chromosomes with them.

I've met a fair number of the Cuban dogs. It will be interesting to see what AKC does, if anything, about accepting them into the American Havanese registry. We won't be going out of our way to get them into our personal breeding program.

A group of Havanese breeders went to Cuba 8 or 9 years ago to meet the breeders, and dogs there. There used to be a Cuban Rescue group that sent such things as flea and tick medications, food, shampoo, etc. When the breeders that were handling that in Cuba defected, there was no longer a contact, so it stopped action.
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There is already a lot known about the Cuban dogs. Canada, and other countries have been accepting them into their registries, even though the US hasn't. Some of the oldest, long time Cuban breeders have been in the US with their dogs for some time now.

There has been, for along time, Cuban dogs mixed into the American gene pool. Since Canada accepts Cuban dogs, and AKC accepts Canadian dogs, some have come in that way.

Genetic research showed that American Havanese only share 3 out of the 78 Chromosomes with them.

I've met a fair number of the Cuban dogs. It will be interesting to see what AKC does, if anything, about accepting them into the American Havanese registry. We won't be going out of our way to get them into our personal breeding program.

A group of Havanese breeders went to Cuba 8 or 9 years ago to meet the breeders, and dogs there. There used to be a Cuban Rescue group that sent such things as flea and tick medications, food, shampoo, etc. When the breeders that were handling that in Cuba defected, there was no longer a contact, so it stopped action.
Very interesting Tom. Thank you so much for sharing this info with us.

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Indeed, very interesting. Now I got curious about Canadian vs American Havs so I e-mailed my breeder to get her input, see what she knows about Cuban bloodlines in Canada.

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There is already a lot known about the Cuban dogs. Canada, and other countries have been accepting them into their registries, even though the US hasn't. Some of the oldest, long time Cuban breeders have been in the US with their dogs for some time now.

There has been, for along time, Cuban dogs mixed into the American gene pool. Since Canada accepts Cuban dogs, and AKC accepts Canadian dogs, some have come in that way.

Genetic research showed that American Havanese only share 3 out of the 78 Chromosomes with them.

I've met a fair number of the Cuban dogs. It will be interesting to see what AKC does, if anything, about accepting them into the American Havanese registry. We won't be going out of our way to get them into our personal breeding program.

A group of Havanese breeders went to Cuba 8 or 9 years ago to meet the breeders, and dogs there. There used to be a Cuban Rescue group that sent such things as flea and tick medications, food, shampoo, etc. When the breeders that were handling that in Cuba defected, there was no longer a contact, so it stopped action.

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The European registries accepted Cuban dogs too. Probably, the US was the only country that didn't, but I'm not sure.

The biggest differences that I have seen are, that the eyes are a bit closer to the top of the skull (stop), and they don't have nearly as thick of a coat. They only have the straightish (slightly wavy) coats. Tails are very much more carried up, and the tip nowhere close to the top of the back. No short muzzles, and round eyes, like you see so much of in the ring. Their gait is a lot more athletic than a lot of the paddling feet that you see here.

The Cuban dogs fit the old, first Standard anyone knows about, a lot closer than a lot of Havanese that you see in the ring here these days.
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I might regret asking this but in the interest of knowledge is that what the Havana Silk Dog people are on about? Is that what they are breeding back to?

My breeder said yes there are Cuban bloodlines in her dogs but that the Cuban dogs were awesome 10+ years ago and not as much now.

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The biggest differences that I have seen are, that the eyes are a bit closer to the top of the skull (stop), and they don't have nearly as thick of a coat. They only have the straightish (slightly wavy) coats. Tails are very much more carried up, and the tip nowhere close to the top of the back. No short muzzles, and round eyes, like you see so much of in the ring. Their gait is a lot more athletic than a lot of the paddling feet that you see here.
Senor Tom, sir, how does this description compare to the Eastern European Havanese? Do we US bred Havanese have closer bloodlines and appearance to my Cuban amigos or to my European amigos? I suppose that we are more closely related to European Havanese since some of them have been brought to North America for breeding in recent years. But my bloodlines go back several generations to US only bred dogs. Are we US dogs totally unique? Us "curious by nature" Havanese want to know.

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A lot of the European Havanese originated here. There were a few breeders over there that imported dogs from the U.S., which a lot of the bloodlines originate from over there. Since then, "dogs of type" were added. Some of those came from some of the Slavic countries that were thought to have originally come from Cuba, being a fellow communist country. So, who knows....

A small group went to Cuba, as part of Cuban Rescue, I think in 2005 or 6. They carried things that the dogs down there could use, and collected DNA during part of their trip from Havanese (Habaneros) down there. There was a talk given at the Havanese National Specialty that year abut the trip, and what they found. Five people attended to hear it, several of which had heard it before, so there was little interest. The genetic research, comparing American Havanese, with the Cuban dogs, showed that they possibly shared only 3 out of the 78 chromosomes. History and Science sometimes don't mesh.

I expect more will be heard about the Cuban dogs that are already here, as the political stuff gets eased off.

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