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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 01-06-2015, 09:41 PM Thread Starter
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What could go wrong?

Yesterday when I introduced myself, I said I'm looking forward to taking home a black-and-white female puppy in February ... But now that I've had a chance to read a little more about the breeder on this website, I'm hoping I haven't made a mistake ...

If the puppy has congenital health problems, but the breeder doesn't tell me, I suppose I could look on the bright side and say, well, I'm rescuing this puppy from a disreputable breeder and giving it a good home! ...

But I don't know what sort of health problems the Havanese typically have in the earliest years, and so I don't know what could go wrong ... And what if the puppy already has something incurable? ... Then I'll feel guilty I'm unable to help her, and I won't have a healthy and energetic companion, which is after all why I chose a Havanese ...

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If you're not comfortable with the breeder, trust your gut instinct and get out. It's never too late to cancel even if you lose money.

You seem like a very kind-hearted person and you deserve a healthy, energetic, and loving companion Havanese! If you're involved in a rescue organization, you could consider it part of your mission to "rescue" this pup, but if you're an average pet owner, don't put your dreams of a healthy Havanese away for this. I think it is like people "rescuing" pet store puppies from the puppy mills. Even if the reasons are different, the dog still left the store and made room for another to be ordered in. It's heart-breaking but will continue on like this unless we band together to put crummy breeders out of business.

My 5 cents!

Others can provide more specific details if you tell us what your specific concerns are and where the breeder doesn't match up to our recommended standard here.

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I walked away from a few puppies prior to finding Emmie's breeder and I'm very glad that I did.
Some potential issues one may encounter with poorly bred dogs:

1. Allergies
2. Potty training difficulties
3. Behavioral problems (e.g. fear around other dogs and/or people, aggressiveness)
4. Health problems
5. Breeder may misrepresent what they've done with regards to socialization, feeding, vaccines, and general care

An unhealthy, poorly bred puppy can cause you great heartache, and cost you BIG dollars in vet bills.

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A poorly bred dog can give you years of heartbreak and expense. If you want to rescue a mill dog or shelter dog at least you know what you are getting yourself into ahead of time. Buying a puppy from a problem breeder might be a little like playing Russian roulette with you never knowing what potential problems might lie ahead for your puppy. Trust your gut with this one and look for a better breeder. Your odds of having a happy, healthy puppy will be greatly improved. Good luck with whatever you decide.



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As far as health problems go, the parents of the puppies should have had testing done to check their eyes, ears, hips and patellas. The test results should be posted and available for you to check online. I was also able to see the pedigree of my puppy going back several generations and could see health testing of all those dogs as well. Socialization and potty training started by the breeder was also important. She was also involved with showing her dogs as well as agility and therapy work. She cares about this breed and it showed.



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I have a rescue dog and I'm glad I did it. I love my little guy to pieces and it's been amazing to see the vast, vast amounts of progress he has made. However, I didn't know what I was getting into with a rescue. I was fortunate that I have experience with animals and was in a time of my life that I had the time and knowledge to make it work, but as much as I love Hobbes, and even with how rewarding it has been, I don't think I would do it again; and if I did it would be with open eyes in 35-40 years when I'm retired. Hobbes has made immense progress, and he can pass as normal now to the average visitor but if you know him well enough and have done enough research into the breed, you know that's he's still not the typical Havanese and he's honestly probably about as "normal" as he's going to get. I wouldn't trade Hobbes for anything, but he has been by far the most difficult dog to get to this point that I've ever had.
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I have a rescue dog and I'm glad I did it. I love my little guy to pieces and it's been amazing to see the vast, vast amounts of progress he has made. However, I didn't know what I was getting into with a rescue. I was fortunate that I have experience with animals and was in a time of my life that I had the time and knowledge to make it work, but as much as I love Hobbes, and even with how rewarding it has been, I don't think I would do it again; and if I did it would be with open eyes in 35-40 years when I'm retired. Hobbes has made immense progress, and he can pass as normal now to the average visitor but if you know him well enough and have done enough research into the breed, you know that's he's still not the typical Havanese and he's honestly probably about as "normal" as he's going to get. I wouldn't trade Hobbes for anything, but he has been by far the most difficult dog to get to this point that I've ever had.
Yes, and it's completely different to really rescue a dog, (off the street, from a shelter or breed rescue) and to purchase a puppy from a questionable breeder. When you buy a puppy from someone who is not doing all they can to produce quality puppies, you are just encouraging the continuation of bad practices. As long as these people can sell puppies, why should they bother doing what they should?


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A puppy is a very long term commitment. You deserve a healthy puppy. It just takes a little extra time and research which you will never regret. Veterinary care is extremely expensive. If you have any questions walk away because there will be another puppy.

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Thanks, all, for the words of caution and encouragement ...

I may have a chance to see the puppy before the delivery date, and I'll be sure to ask the breeder the key questions that many of you have raised about history and health ...

Whatever I decide, I'm hopeful I'll be posting pictures soon of a black-and-white Havanese puppy bouncing around in her new home ...

Meanwhile, it's nice to see the images of happy Havanese posted on this site ...

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There is nothing wrong with asking the breeder asap for the health info for the parents. It's your money being paid and they should not have a problem with ANY question you have.

My first dog (not a hav) that I got as an adult had health problems. I did not think I chose a bad breeder at the time, he seemed to have a good reputation, but I really didnt know what to look for in a breeder. I also think I over medicated and over vaccinated the puppy too. When I look at the vet records from that time it makes me cringe how many drugs I gave that little puppy thinking I was being a responsible pet owner. My dog died at 5 from liver disease and it was devastating. Getting back to the breeder, he is no longer in business. Apparently his health declined and eventually his dogs were seized. If I look his dogs up on offa though at one point he did have healthy dogs. So you really never know what can happen over time. It's possible I got my dog when the decline started and adding to that all of the treatments my vet at the time recommended my dog was a goner. He was the sweetest dog too.

I also know of someone who bought a brussels griffon from a breeder in the midwest somewhere. She did not know what to look for in a breeder and she said when the dog arrived she could tell it had problems. Even now with lots of training etc the dog is strange, for example he will only sit backward in the car.
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