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Violet is surprising us with some color changes I think. Her black is coming in lighter at the roots - reddish brown, and it looks like she has more silver/white on her face. Her breeder told us she would probably keep her black, but based on what I'm reading, I think this reddish brown means she'll turn more silver eventually? Tom indicated this is what happened with one of his dogs.

She's also got spots appearing on her belly - the darker pigmented large "freckles" I have seen on other dogs. Prior to less than a week ago, her belly was just pink. I'm also noticing some darker hair streaking through the white on her feet.

Do the pigmented spots on her belly indicate any particular color change on the horizon?
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I do not know what the pigmented spots on their belly mean but both Bentley and Evye have them. Bentley, a black/white parti like Violet is silvering...everytime I look at him I notice more silver in his face, his back...especially by his tail. Personally, I love it and so curious what he will look like as an adult.

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I think the black spots could mean that she is a belton (I think that's what they call it). Belton is when the white coat gets black hair running thru it. There's another recent thread talking about this. There's a great picture of Jan's dog Bandit's beautiful coat.

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I think the black spots could mean that she is a belton (I think that's what they call it). Belton is when the white coat gets black hair running thru it. There's another recent thread talking about this. There's a great picture of Jan's dog Bandit's beautiful coat.
That's true, the ticking or belton would probably be causing the dark spots you're seeing. The black can go to a Havana brown then back to black or it can silver. That's part of the charm of our dogs. Turn your head and they change color We just had a thread on the ticking gene and if you know how to look around here (unlike some I know) you can find a picture of Bandit when she had a pure white back and then an older picture of her where she shows the black stripes the belton or ticking gene and looks different.

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I'm not sure what Violet's color changes indicate but I've really enjoyed watching Bailey's coat evolve into this new beautiful boy. I thought he was gorgeous when I got him with his magnificent silky sable parti coat and the new version, ever changing, is equally beautiful -- at least in my eyes. Havs are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you'll get.

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Can the ticking be opposite? As in, would a black hav with white hair running thru the coat be considered ticking too?

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Vinny, the big one in my avatar has dark spots but no ticking. He is a brindle. His coat did exactly what you describe as a puppy. When I give him a puppy cut he looks mainly silver/taupe?, but as he grows out it turns black again. Except for where it grows in and for about 1 1/2 inches it is silver/taupeish. Weirdest thing but I love it. He is like a box of chocolates.
It will be very interesting to watch Gabby. I kinda think she will end up a lot like Bailey but with more darker hair.
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Can the ticking be opposite? As in, would a black hav with white hair running thru the coat be considered ticking too?
This is from Suzanne's website:
TICKING - Many Havanese carry the TICKING gene. A parti coloured dog with this gene will have flecks of colour throughout the white coat, giving it a salt and pepper appearance. Dogs without this gene will have a white that stays crisp and pure. In the canine world, the correct term for this is "Belton"

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Do the pigmented spots on her belly indicate any particular color change on the horizon?
When Rufus' black went to silver, it went right away..not reddish borwn? He has spots all over his skin but is not a belton. He just has spots...it doesn't seem to affect his color at all.
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Jill's Cody has the same type of spots on his belly (I think it was Cody, not Tess). He is all white. It didn't seem to have anything to do with the rest of his pigment. I just thought it was so strange how fast they showed up.
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