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CUBA'S THIRD SEASON

Well, I'm not sure anyone will be interested in season No.3, but here we go again. I thought I'd start the thread just to keep up to date with the story, but I'm not sure there's going to be any great news. I'm fairly certain we are revving up but there's no bleeding yet (those of you who can't stomach the graphic descriptions move on now!!!), and she's quite late - last season began on August 24th according to my Second Season Diary, so it's nearly seven months since the last one.

I saw Cuba's breeder at Crufts a couple of weeks ago, and we discussed the business of when/if/how to neuter. She is totally happy for me to make up my own mind based upon the latest thinking on what is best for the bitch, in the safe knowledge that I am never going to let Cuba get into any situation where an unwanted pregnancy could possibly occur.

I'm waiting for safely neutered Tycho to start to take an interest, which on past form will be energetic, to know for sure where we are!! He's my best signal!
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I'm still interested, Lalla, since I don't know if I will end up with a girl or a boy. And since I hope to show this one in conformation, I will have to keep him or her intact for a while!

I'd love to hear about going to Crufts… that is on my "bucket list"… actually, it is short-listed on my bucket list! The idea of one show where you can see conformation, obedience, agility and the freestyle stuff all in one place is just too fun for words! Like going to the "Doggy Olympics!"


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I'm interested; keeping Rory intact and looking to learn.
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I'm so sorry I've been so hopeless at getting back to the forum and keeping up the diary once started. I have been so inundated with work-related nightmares that I simply haven't had a moment at my computer that hasn't entailed things far less pleasurable that writing x-certificated notes on Cuba's antics!!

It's actually really not that much different from Season's One and Two; pretty much a carbon copy. Tycho is really enjoying himself as ever, Cuba is flirting for Havana; this has been going on for over a week now and shows no sign of abating - mostly it's in the evening, when they will hurtle around together, mostly driven by Cuba - she rushes at him, backs up to him, nags away at him if he tries to escape her amorous clutches and then finally gives up and mounts her; that's repeated several times then they both collapse for a bit, or at least he does first and she carries on trying to seduce him, then she gives up. Half an hour or so will pass and then off they go again.

She hasn't been allowed on her own even in our high-walled garden for a minute since I last posted on March 20th. There's never been any sign of any marauding high-jumpers, but I'm not taking any chances. She shows no sign of trying to escape, and there's been no trouble on walks mainly because I stick to the street and as it happens haven't run into any dogs at all, oddly. They must all be in the nearby University Parks.

So for now we are still at the Tycho-is-interested-and-active stage. She is still swollen, though the actual amount of bleeding seems more or less unnoticeable. She licks herself a lot and is, presumably, keeping herself clean. It is certainly really absolutely no trouble at all. The only down side has been missing some of her training classes, but that's not a disaster and, as they are out of doors, several have been cancelled anyway with not very nice weather conditions.

As for Crufts, Karen, it is always really interesting. It's a bit of a sidetrack in this thread, but never mind - probably more interesting than a repeat of Season 1 and Season 2!
I go pretty much every year, to meet Tychy's breeder, my friend Coton Julie. We have a lovely time catching up, and I spend a lot of time watching the Havanese compete and meeting up with Cuba's breeder, Sheila Walker, and Sheila's daughter, Diane, who owns Cuba's mother. Cuba's sister was entered, too, so it was really fun to see the family!!
I have mixed feelings about things to do with Crufts, mainly a propos the massive sponsorship by people who make food that I wouldn't give to my dogs, and the worries about some breeders' practices. This year there was all of the to-do about that red setter being poisoned, but I feel a bit sorry for the Crufts organisers since it turned out that the poor dog had been poisoned after it had got home to Belgium. As I understand it.
But the sheer size of Crufts is awe-inspiring, the numbers of things one can see there - over 250 breeds at Discover Dogs, agility, heelwork to music, different categories, young trainers, rescue dogs, police training (horrible old-fashioned and I couldn't bear it!), lots more, and demos of the Good Citizens' Award -Tycho demonstrated the Bronze a few years ago with a team from our puppy class, it was thrilling to be there with a dog...I'll see if I can post a photograph in a bit...think I've done it; goodness, it was 2008!! Help, how time flies! So anyway, here are Tychy and me showing off in our team yellow polo shirts for the Good Citizens' Award!!
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If you don't mind my asking…are you keeping Cuba intact because you are showing her? Or do you hope for puppies? I've never kept my girls intact and I'd love to know your reasoning.

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I'm so sorry I've been so hopeless at getting back to the forum and keeping up the diary once started. I have been so inundated with work-related nightmares that I simply haven't had a moment at my computer that hasn't entailed things far less pleasurable that writing x-certificated notes on Cuba's antics!!

It's actually really not that much different from Season's One and Two; pretty much a carbon copy. Tycho is really enjoying himself as ever, Cuba is flirting for Havana; this has been going on for over a week now and shows no sign of abating - mostly it's in the evening, when they will hurtle around together, mostly driven by Cuba - she rushes at him, backs up to him, nags away at him if he tries to escape her amorous clutches and then finally gives up and mounts her; that's repeated several times then they both collapse for a bit, or at least he does first and she carries on trying to seduce him, then she gives up. Half an hour or so will pass and then off they go again.

She hasn't been allowed on her own even in our high-walled garden for a minute since I last posted on March 20th. There's never been any sign of any marauding high-jumpers, but I'm not taking any chances. She shows no sign of trying to escape, and there's been no trouble on walks mainly because I stick to the street and as it happens haven't run into any dogs at all, oddly. They must all be in the nearby University Parks.

So for now we are still at the Tycho-is-interested-and-active stage. She is still swollen, though the actual amount of bleeding seems more or less unnoticeable. She licks herself a lot and is, presumably, keeping herself clean. It is certainly really absolutely no trouble at all. The only down side has been missing some of her training classes, but that's not a disaster and, as they are out of doors, several have been cancelled anyway with not very nice weather conditions.

As for Crufts, Karen, it is always really interesting. It's a bit of a sidetrack in this thread, but never mind - probably more interesting than a repeat of Season 1 and Season 2!
I go pretty much every year, to meet Tychy's breeder, my friend Coton Julie. We have a lovely time catching up, and I spend a lot of time watching the Havanese compete and meeting up with Cuba's breeder, Sheila Walker, and Sheila's daughter, Diane, who owns Cuba's mother. Cuba's sister was entered, too, so it was really fun to see the family!!
I have mixed feelings about things to do with Crufts, mainly a propos the massive sponsorship by people who make food that I wouldn't give to my dogs, and the worries about some breeders' practices. This year there was all of the to-do about that red setter being poisoned, but I feel a bit sorry for the Crufts organisers since it turned out that the poor dog had been poisoned after it had got home to Belgium. As I understand it.
But the sheer size of Crufts is awe-inspiring, the numbers of things one can see there - over 250 breeds at Discover Dogs, agility, heelwork to music, different categories, young trainers, rescue dogs, police training (horrible old-fashioned and I couldn't bear it!), lots more, and demos of the Good Citizens' Award -Tycho demonstrated the Bronze a few years ago with a team from our puppy class, it was thrilling to be there with a dog...I'll see if I can post a photograph in a bit...think I've done it; goodness, it was 2008!! Help, how time flies! So anyway, here are Tychy and me showing off in our team yellow polo shirts for the Good Citizens' Award!!
I understand your mixed feelings, Lalla. We have the same situation here, with poor quality foods sponsoring some of our biggest shows. And yes, at the obedience trials, there is a mix… there are certainly more and more force-free trainers, but there are still old-scool compulsion based trainers too. I belong to a group of +R competition obedience people, and our unofficial motto is "Be the ripple". In other words, we'll never convince people by beating them about the heads with it, but if we keep going out there and WINNING with force-free trained, HAPPY dogs, people start to ask questions. When we answer about our training methods politely, more and more people start to re-think the kind of relationship they want to have with their dogs!


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If you don't mind my asking…are you keeping Cuba intact because you are showing her? Or do you hope for puppies? I've never kept my girls intact and I'd love to know your reasoning.
Hi Helene, I will, of course, let Lalla answer for herself. But I can tell you that whether it's a male of female, I will not neuter my next puppy as a puppy. There is more and more evidence that allowing dogs to fully mature and have the advantage of adult hormones in their bodies has a number of long-term health benefits.

It's certainly not the right answer for everyone… You need to be willing to take responsibility that your un-neutered dog NEVER has the opportunity to have a little unplanned "roll in the hay". That's a BIG responsibility.

But I believe more and more as time goes on, that this is a decision for each owner to make with the help of their own veterinarian, based on the needs of the dog and the family. For most pet dog owners, early spay/neuter is probably still the best way to go. But for responsible pet owners who can be sure they will keep their dog out of trouble, I think they should feel free to do what is best for their dog.


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Thanks, Karen. I hadn't realized that. I just followed my usual procedure of having Sheba neutered at 6.5 months. When I was growing up, we had a beautiful collie puppy in her first heat who ran out the back door...where a lab was waiting with bated breath! My poor mother…it was her first dog and I'm not sure she even realized Penny was in heat! There was a lot of commotion, an out-of-wedlock pregnancy, and an abortion. Puppy Peyton Place!

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Thanks, Karen. I hadn't realized that. I just followed my usual procedure of having Sheba neutered at 6.5 months. When I was growing up, we had a beautiful collie puppy in her first heat who ran out the back door...where a lab was waiting with bated breath! My poor mother…it was her first dog and I'm not sure she even realized Penny was in heat! There was a lot of commotion, an out-of-wedlock pregnancy, and an abortion. Puppy Peyton Place!
Yup. You have to be willing to be very, VERY careful, as Lalla is, if you want the responsibility of a dog that CAN reproduce. But... Let's face it, breeders handle it all the time... With bitches in heat and entire dogs in the same house often. So unwanted pregnancies CAN be avoided. That's why I had my friend's stud dog, Tony, living with me for 3 weeks during the winter. She had a bitch in heat at home, and didn't want to take any chances (the bitch was going to be spayed). So Tony came over to "batch it" with Kodi.


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Our vet also recommended waiting to spay Truffles after one year for the advantage of hormones. Going through one heat was not a problem at all. She still went on walks and to the park. There were no problems with other dogs taking an interest in her. Then again maybe because they are all spayed or neutered.

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